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1. More US Soldiers Committed Suicide Than Died in Combat

For the second year (2010) in a row, more US soldiers killed themselves (468) than died in combat (462). “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”  Suicide is a tragic but predictable human reaction to being asked to kill – and watch your friends be killed – particularly when it’s for a war based on lies.  Perhaps being required to bag the mangled flesh of fellow soldiers could be another reason that some are committing suicide.

Body Bagging… ever heard the term?  Marines in the Corps’s Mortuary Affairs unit at Camp Al Taqaddum, Iraq, are assigned the job of collecting and cataloging the bodies of dead Marines. They sift through the remains and effects, from prom photos to suicide notes and love letters, and put them into a bag, then into a metal box and then into a refrigerator to await the flight home. One soldier, Jess Goodell, recounts a Marine brought into the unit still breathing. She frantically called to her superiors, who replied simply, “Wait.” She watched while he died. When she returned to the US, Goodell, like many others, was diagnosed with deep depression, substance abuse, PTSD and anxiety.

Sources:

“Death and After in Iraq”, Chris Hedges, Truthdig, March 21, 2011. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_body_baggers_of_iraq_20110321

“More US Soldiers Killed Themselves Than Died in Combat in 2010,” Cord Jefferson,  Good, January 27, 2011.
http://www.good.is/post/more-us-soldiers-killed-themselves-than-died-in-combat-in-2010

“Can You Face the True Consequences of War? The Horror of Bagging Soldiers’ Bodies in Iraq,” Chris Hedges, Alternet, March 21, 2011.
http://www.alternet.org/world/150322/can_you_face_the_true_consequences_of_war_the_horrors_of_bagging_soldiers%27_bodies_in_iraq/?page=1

“Ten Reasons the Iraq War Was No Cakewalk,” Medea Benjamin and Charles Davis, Alternet, March 18, 2011.  http://www.alternet.org/world/150297/ten_reasons_the_iraq_war_was_no_cakewalk

Student Researcher: Bay Ewald, San Francisco State University

Faculty Evaluator: Kenn Burrows, San Francisco State University

  • Usno1 September 30, 2011

    the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower, among every age group, than the respective civilian population.

    but you probably just missed that.

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

      • Andy October 1, 2011

        the source most likely  was 24 beers and a lifetime on a couch in front of chat shows and tv shopping channels.
        ill educated , ill informed rubbish.

        • Fro October 2, 2011

          Do you have a source that says otherwise?  Being a hypocrite is no way to have your opinion heard. 

          • Anonymous December 11, 2011

            They were lied to, deny that smarty pants… They know the truth.

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        Fox News, or some draft dodging right-wing conservative radio personalilty, (Great American, like Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity… War hardened ,  opinionators…

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

  • Usno1 September 30, 2011

    the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower, among every age group, than the respective civilian population.

    but you probably just missed that.

    • Anonymous September 30, 2011

      Source?

      • Andy October 1, 2011

        the source most likely  was 24 beers and a lifetime on a couch in front of chat shows and tv shopping channels.
        ill educated , ill informed rubbish.

        • Fro October 2, 2011

          Do you have a source that says otherwise?  Being a hypocrite is no way to have your opinion heard. 

          • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

            They were lied to, deny that smarty pants… They know the truth.

      • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

        Fox News, or some draft dodging right-wing conservative radio personalilty, (Great American, like Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity… War hardened ,  opinionators…

  • RealWheel October 1, 2011

    you said: “the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower”.

    You are probably right, but not amongst soldiers sent to war in Afghanistan or Iran.

  • RealWheel October 1, 2011

    you said: “the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower”.

    You are probably right, but not amongst soldiers sent to war in Afghanistan or Iran.

  • Neuroelectronic October 1, 2011

     — and put their remains and effects into bags, metal boxes and love letters

    o.O

    • Jason October 1, 2011

      and refrigerators, not love letters.

    • Jason October 1, 2011

      and refrigerators, not love letters.

    • Jason October 1, 2011

      and refrigerators, not love letters.

  • dugan6415 October 1, 2011

     — and put their remains and effects into bags, metal boxes and love letters

    o.O

    • Jason October 1, 2011

      and refrigerators, not love letters.

  • Andy October 1, 2011

    “One soldier, Jess Goodell, recounts a marine brought into the unit still breathing. She frantically called to her superiors, to which they simply replied, “wait.” She watched while he died.
    Absolute bollox – load of shite comment and anybody that believes such rubbish needs to have their brains reconnected. what planet is that person from?

    US mil get the best med care ,never that would happen, ever. Marines take care for their own, always look after their guys.

    semper fi.

    • Aidan October 1, 2011

      wow you’re ignorant and dumb. must be a marine.

    • quietdove October 1, 2011

      How come there are so many veterans who can’t afford the mental health care they need for their PTSD, then? Those military members aren’t getting the best health care.

    • April Coble October 9, 2011

      Is that right? Because I have spent the past nine years helping my husband live with his PTSD, and every day I fervently watch over him to make sure I’m not missing anything, because the military refuses to diagnose it. The government won’t pay for it. In the end, those who join the military are used as pawns for political and monetary gain of the elite political class.

      Regardless of whether they care for each other, those high in command are first and foremost, politicians. This thing you believe in can and will fail  you. It has killed and destroyed your brothers.

      • Anonymous October 12, 2011

        Cannabis treats PTSD. I can’t say it cures it but it helps, a lot.

        • Xotica January 11, 2012

          that is not true i am a long time pot smoker and after a  long term domestic abusive relationship i developed ptsd fight or flight and i used pot always it made me depressed paranoid lost and kept me alone in my room.. bad advice and i still smoke pot because i dont want to bother quitting.. addiction does that. maybe it helped you  but its not something i would reccomend as a person who had strong ptds symptoms for 5 years. still healing pot has not helped. exercise healthy eating yoga deep breathing good suppport and soul searching is what has helped the healing process.. long hard road easier without pot. 

        • Xotica January 11, 2012

          that is not true i am a long time pot smoker and after a  long term domestic abusive relationship i developed ptsd fight or flight and i used pot always it made me depressed paranoid lost and kept me alone in my room.. bad advice and i still smoke pot because i dont want to bother quitting.. addiction does that. maybe it helped you  but its not something i would reccomend as a person who had strong ptds symptoms for 5 years. still healing pot has not helped. exercise healthy eating yoga deep breathing good suppport and soul searching is what has helped the healing process.. long hard road easier without pot. 

      • David Israel November 24, 2011

        You have to let him go and make it on his on.

        The more you baby him, the worst it will get.

        • grodings December 3, 2011

          ARE YOU A TROLL? HOW CAN YOU SERIOUSLY TELL A WOMAN THIS ABOUT HER HUBAND?

          • None December 3, 2011

            He’s not a troll. Just a dirty jew.

        • Yyy December 3, 2011

          God you’re a fucking idiot.

        • Anonymous December 11, 2011

          Wow!!!

          • Guest February 16, 2012

            I know right! That’s a low price!

        • MsCatfur December 30, 2011

          TROLL, get a life.

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        You are a wonderful wife, and he is a very fortunate man to have you. Keep fighting them for his rights, and thnk you…

    • been there October 12, 2011

      although i don’t believe that a marine was allowed to die without any attempt to save him. your claim that the military get the best medical treatment is way off base. have you ever been to an actual military hospital?  they tend to be overcrowded, understaffed, and woefully behind the times in equipment. this i know from experience

      • Leaderadvocate November 5, 2011

        on the flip side, it sounds as if you haven’t been to a civilian hospital to compare a military one against. Sure, it may not be as great a a top private, commercial, hospital, but for the most part, military hospitals do their best. Besides, in question is the care on the battlefield, and that kind of care is top notch. Soldier’s are not only higly trained on care, but are surrounded by other Soldiers who are also trained in some leavel of treatment (Tactical Combat Casualty Care), and are medics are sometimes afforded the opportunity to work in emergency rooms prior to deployment (not to mention, years of experience in combat).

        • Anonymous December 11, 2011

          Lt. Dan, of Forrest Gump fame was right… think about it for a minute…

    • been there October 12, 2011

      although i don’t believe that a marine was allowed to die without any attempt to save him. your claim that the military get the best medical treatment is way off base. have you ever been to an actual military hospital?  they tend to be overcrowded, understaffed, and woefully behind the times in equipment. this i know from experience

    • Anonymous October 22, 2011

      Go check under the local bridge and tell your “Guys” you’re doing all you can….

      Remember the Walter Reed Hospital dungeons the returning disabled veterans were housed in, well, there are thousands of other horrifying places the military & VA place the veterans in that are just as bad….

    • Brett October 31, 2011

      Actually I have watched many people who have been deemed “Expectant” have nothing more than an IV bag of morphine squeezed into them to help them pass away while working in the Balad air base ER. It does happen buddy, on a daily basis… War is horrible.

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        You are right Brett, but Americans like things all wrapped up in a pretty box with a yellow ribbon tied around it.  It kind of makes them feel good when they start beating the drums to start another war… funny,  they are doing just that now,  don’t believe it;  watch the next republican debate, and then google the last 10 or 11 and watch them all jump out of the clown car beating the same old tune.  Why not, their kids don’t have to worry about it…

        • Brett December 14, 2011

          Yes sir, they are getting the un-educated population all riled up to invade Iran and Syria next. It boggles my mind how people can sleep at night while sending young kids into die in un-just/illegal wars. Hopefully the one true anti-war canidate will prevail and bring us back to the constitution. Ron Paul is the only guy right now that will do this. 

    • Nero November 12, 2011

      Cannot be sure about the best care; however, I really bet that body was releicing natural gases which may appear as breathing. Probably part of the reason she has PTSD also. As for the claims that the government doesn’t care about the soldiers and will not treat them; you can see people on both sides of that fence. Some say that they have been treated well; while others say that they have been left behind in the dust. There is allot of paper work and organizations out there that help soldiers get the help they need; but it does require a little bit of work and motivation on part of the soldier themselves and family. Finally, the NIH and other organizations in the USA are working frantically to try and make available more psychologists to treat returning soldiers. The system can only take so much. Yes, these soldiers might not be career soldiers; but the last time I checked they signed up for this and are not being forced as with the draft back during the 60s. In a way, perhaps all the people here that are so against the issue; should just protest infront of militery recruite offices to stop new sign ups. I am sorry; but they signed up for militery duty. I guess for years that meant some weekend worrier stuff….well there is a few wars going on. 

      • Briancaffrey December 10, 2011

        everyone who joins the military is made aware of the danger he or she could face before they sign up it is part and parcel of the occupation they have freely chosen,they are therefore responsible for for the situation they have put themselfs in,i  feel sorry for injured soldiers but like i said this is part of the game they chose to play.My heart goes out to the moms, dads brothers wifes and sisters who are left with a lifetime burden of care, hardship and responsibility for there injured loved ones because if they do not do it nowone else will,the military do rehab give them a meager allowance and leave them to rot and hope that the world forgets about them,this is also in my opinion one of the main reasons for the high rate of suicide amoungst military personal past and present.

        • Anonymous December 11, 2011

          Give this guy the big rainbow sucker, wait, that is his head… did he really say “a lifetime burden of care? Lt. Dan… you were right… Burden? Really??

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        Maybe Mr. Bush and mr. Cheney will put in a few good words for the returning troops. It was all Ra, Ra, Ra when they got us into this mess, but now,  Crickets… Do you ever see anybody from that Cabal, speaking out for jobs, or better whatever you can think of that will benefit our returning troops? Listen to the candidates, do you ever hear them talk about PTSD?

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        Maybe Mr. Bush and mr. Cheney will put in a few good words for the returning troops. It was all Ra, Ra, Ra when they got us into this mess, but now,  Crickets… Do you ever see anybody from that Cabal, speaking out for jobs, or better whatever you can think of that will benefit our returning troops? Listen to the candidates, do you ever hear them talk about PTSD?

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        Star Trek was terrible. Star Wars.

    • Syntrel November 24, 2011

      The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

    • Syntrel November 24, 2011

      The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

    • Syntrel November 24, 2011

      The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

    • Syntrel November 24, 2011

      The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

    • Neramax December 9, 2011

      SEMPER FIDELES -Always Faithful . The question being,  are you faithful to them, or are they faithful to you?

    • Captain H December 10, 2011

      Could have been screened by triage.  That is US Military (medical) policy.  No doubt Marines take care of Marines.  Also though, triage separates those that can be saved and those who can not. 

    • Captain H December 10, 2011

      Could have been screened by triage.  That is US Military (medical) policy.  No doubt Marines take care of Marines.  Also though, triage separates those that can be saved and those who can not. 

    • Sees Clearly December 10, 2011

      Smoke more dope Andy.

    • Anonymous December 11, 2011

      Right Andy, keep on believing that, only a jarhead believes everything he is told, now go and apply for disability…

    • Anonymous December 11, 2011

      Right Andy, keep on believing that, only a jarhead believes everything he is told, now go and apply for disability…

  • Andy October 1, 2011

    “One soldier, Jess Goodell, recounts a marine brought into the unit still breathing. She frantically called to her superiors, to which they simply replied, “wait.” She watched while he died.
    Absolute bollox – load of shite comment and anybody that believes such rubbish needs to have their brains reconnected. what planet is that person from?

    US mil get the best med care ,never that would happen, ever. Marines take care for their own, always look after their guys.

    semper fi.

    • Aidan October 1, 2011

      wow you’re ignorant and dumb. must be a marine.

    • quietdove October 1, 2011

      How come there are so many veterans who can’t afford the mental health care they need for their PTSD, then? Those military members aren’t getting the best health care.

    • thepriss October 9, 2011

      Is that right? Because I have spent the past nine years helping my husband live with his PTSD, and every day I fervently watch over him to make sure I’m not missing anything, because the military refuses to diagnose it. The government won’t pay for it. In the end, those who join the military are used as pawns for political and monetary gain of the elite political class.

      Regardless of whether they care for each other, those high in command are first and foremost, politicians. This thing you believe in can and will fail  you. It has killed and destroyed your brothers.

      • Q_1984and666A_1776 October 12, 2011

        Cannabis treats PTSD. I can’t say it cures it but it helps, a lot.

        • Xotica January 11, 2012

          that is not true i am a long time pot smoker and after a  long term domestic abusive relationship i developed ptsd fight or flight and i used pot always it made me depressed paranoid lost and kept me alone in my room.. bad advice and i still smoke pot because i dont want to bother quitting.. addiction does that. maybe it helped you  but its not something i would reccomend as a person who had strong ptds symptoms for 5 years. still healing pot has not helped. exercise healthy eating yoga deep breathing good suppport and soul searching is what has helped the healing process.. long hard road easier without pot. 

      • David Israel November 24, 2011

        You have to let him go and make it on his on.

        The more you baby him, the worst it will get.

        • grodings December 3, 2011

          ARE YOU A TROLL? HOW CAN YOU SERIOUSLY TELL A WOMAN THIS ABOUT HER HUBAND?

        • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

          Wow!!!

          • Guest February 16, 2012

            I know right! That’s a low price!

        • MsCatfur December 30, 2011

          TROLL, get a life.

      • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

        You are a wonderful wife, and he is a very fortunate man to have you. Keep fighting them for his rights, and thnk you…

    • been there October 12, 2011

      although i don’t believe that a marine was allowed to die without any attempt to save him. your claim that the military get the best medical treatment is way off base. have you ever been to an actual military hospital?  they tend to be overcrowded, understaffed, and woefully behind the times in equipment. this i know from experience

      • Leaderadvocate November 5, 2011

        on the flip side, it sounds as if you haven’t been to a civilian hospital to compare a military one against. Sure, it may not be as great a a top private, commercial, hospital, but for the most part, military hospitals do their best. Besides, in question is the care on the battlefield, and that kind of care is top notch. Soldier’s are not only higly trained on care, but are surrounded by other Soldiers who are also trained in some leavel of treatment (Tactical Combat Casualty Care), and are medics are sometimes afforded the opportunity to work in emergency rooms prior to deployment (not to mention, years of experience in combat).

        • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

          Lt. Dan, of Forrest Gump fame was right… think about it for a minute…

    • Guest October 22, 2011

      Go check under the local bridge and tell your “Guys” you’re doing all you can….

      Remember the Walter Reed Hospital dungeons the returning disabled veterans were housed in, well, there are thousands of other horrifying places the military & VA place the veterans in that are just as bad….

    • Brett October 31, 2011

      Actually I have watched many people who have been deemed “Expectant” have nothing more than an IV bag of morphine squeezed into them to help them pass away while working in the Balad air base ER. It does happen buddy, on a daily basis… War is horrible.

      • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

        You are right Brett, but Americans like things all wrapped up in a pretty box with a yellow ribbon tied around it.  It kind of makes them feel good when they start beating the drums to start another war… funny,  they are doing just that now,  don’t believe it;  watch the next republican debate, and then google the last 10 or 11 and watch them all jump out of the clown car beating the same old tune.  Why not, their kids don’t have to worry about it…

        • Brett December 14, 2011

          Yes sir, they are getting the un-educated population all riled up to invade Iran and Syria next. It boggles my mind how people can sleep at night while sending young kids into die in un-just/illegal wars. Hopefully the one true anti-war canidate will prevail and bring us back to the constitution. Ron Paul is the only guy right now that will do this. 

    • Nero November 12, 2011

      Cannot be sure about the best care; however, I really bet that body was releicing natural gases which may appear as breathing. Probably part of the reason she has PTSD also. As for the claims that the government doesn’t care about the soldiers and will not treat them; you can see people on both sides of that fence. Some say that they have been treated well; while others say that they have been left behind in the dust. There is allot of paper work and organizations out there that help soldiers get the help they need; but it does require a little bit of work and motivation on part of the soldier themselves and family. Finally, the NIH and other organizations in the USA are working frantically to try and make available more psychologists to treat returning soldiers. The system can only take so much. Yes, these soldiers might not be career soldiers; but the last time I checked they signed up for this and are not being forced as with the draft back during the 60s. In a way, perhaps all the people here that are so against the issue; should just protest infront of militery recruite offices to stop new sign ups. I am sorry; but they signed up for militery duty. I guess for years that meant some weekend worrier stuff….well there is a few wars going on. 

      • Briancaffrey December 10, 2011

        everyone who joins the military is made aware of the danger he or she could face before they sign up it is part and parcel of the occupation they have freely chosen,they are therefore responsible for for the situation they have put themselfs in,i  feel sorry for injured soldiers but like i said this is part of the game they chose to play.My heart goes out to the moms, dads brothers wifes and sisters who are left with a lifetime burden of care, hardship and responsibility for there injured loved ones because if they do not do it nowone else will,the military do rehab give them a meager allowance and leave them to rot and hope that the world forgets about them,this is also in my opinion one of the main reasons for the high rate of suicide amoungst military personal past and present.

        • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

          Give this guy the big rainbow sucker, wait, that is his head… did he really say “a lifetime burden of care? Lt. Dan… you were right… Burden? Really??

      • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

        Maybe Mr. Bush and mr. Cheney will put in a few good words for the returning troops. It was all Ra, Ra, Ra when they got us into this mess, but now,  Crickets… Do you ever see anybody from that Cabal, speaking out for jobs, or better whatever you can think of that will benefit our returning troops? Listen to the candidates, do you ever hear them talk about PTSD?

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        Star Trek was terrible. Star Wars.

    • Syntrel November 24, 2011

      The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

    • Neramax December 9, 2011

      SEMPER FIDELES -Always Faithful . The question being,  are you faithful to them, or are they faithful to you?

    • Captain H December 10, 2011

      Could have been screened by triage.  That is US Military (medical) policy.  No doubt Marines take care of Marines.  Also though, triage separates those that can be saved and those who can not. 

    • Sees Clearly December 10, 2011

      Smoke more dope Andy.

    • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

      Right Andy, keep on believing that, only a jarhead believes everything he is told, now go and apply for disability…

  • Norm DeLisle October 2, 2011

    It doesn’t matter whether the war is based on lies. The experience of combat is destructive of the human soul regardless of the justification for the war.

    • Sheesy October 16, 2011

      I would think that if someone is being asked to do such a gruesome thing, they would like to know that it is for some good cause (e.g. freedom) not just for oil. Some sort of justification for the act.

      • Leadersadvocate November 5, 2011

        You too need to get your facts straight. There is no oil in Afghanistan!!!

        • Bryansdad1957 November 12, 2011

          Bullshit.Unocal has a pipeline going through it.

        • Sax November 14, 2011

          Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

        • Sax November 14, 2011

          Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

        • Sax November 14, 2011

          Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

        • Syntrel November 24, 2011

          You’re right.  There’s no oil in Afghanistan.  There’s a lot of oil in Iraq though.  Afghanistan does however hold what many geologists believe to be the second largest deposits of rare earth elements, second to China.  What Iraq and Afghanistan both have in common is a border next to Iran.  It doesn’t take a genius to do the math on the last 30 years of foreign policy in the middle east.  So get your facts straight.  There is no honor in being a puppet for a corrupt war based on lies.

          • LalaBoom December 4, 2011

            Oh geez!! There isn’t oil, BUT THERE ARE DRUGS…OPIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it possible that it’s a drug war instead?

          • C. December 10, 2011

            how about if:
            as long as they are there and looting the place for any commodities they find,  know of, learn of, and/or stumble upon. (i.e. oil, opium, ancient artifacts, cash, weaponry, etc.)

          • Guest February 16, 2012

            Well let’s hope so.

        • Neramax December 9, 2011

          But there is heroin . The same reason that Britain had troops there in the 19th century  to protect the opium which was sent to China —hence the Boxer rebellions and the leasing of Hong Kong to the Brits for 99 years when China lost the rather unfair fight with a highly industrialised nation.The same families involved today are the descendants of the families who ran the trade then.The more things change the more they remain the same.

        • Neramax December 9, 2011

          But there is heroin . The same reason that Britain had troops there in the 19th century  to protect the opium which was sent to China —hence the Boxer rebellions and the leasing of Hong Kong to the Brits for 99 years when China lost the rather unfair fight with a highly industrialised nation.The same families involved today are the descendants of the families who ran the trade then.The more things change the more they remain the same.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
          India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
          India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
          India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          What fuels their cars?

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        (Freedom)?  Go talk to the people in the Occupy Wall Street Movement? Then watch out for the Baton!!! And all those para-military peace officers there to protect the establishment from your “Freedom”…

        Semper, Fi

      • Anonymous December 11, 2011

        (Freedom)?  Go talk to the people in the Occupy Wall Street Movement? Then watch out for the Baton!!! And all those para-military peace officers there to protect the establishment from your “Freedom”…

        Semper, Fi

    • C. December 10, 2011

      Actually is does matter because if you are fighting  based on truth and in self defense your purpose and intentions are different, which means a world of difference, especially related to outcome.

    • Anonymous December 11, 2011

      Sounds good, but it is not logical, the truth always matters, and it the truth about 9/11 had been told, we never would have gone to war in the first place… but be proud, and just try to sleep… yeah, sometimes you have “visitors” dropping by… sometimes you make eye contact… nothing like your video games.

  • Norm DeLisle October 2, 2011

    It doesn’t matter whether the war is based on lies. The experience of combat is destructive of the human soul regardless of the justification for the war.

    • Sheesy October 16, 2011

      I would think that if someone is being asked to do such a gruesome thing, they would like to know that it is for some good cause (e.g. freedom) not just for oil. Some sort of justification for the act.

      • Leadersadvocate November 5, 2011

        You too need to get your facts straight. There is no oil in Afghanistan!!!

        • Bryansdad1957 November 12, 2011

          Bullshit.Unocal has a pipeline going through it.

        • Sax November 14, 2011

          Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

        • Syntrel November 24, 2011

          You’re right.  There’s no oil in Afghanistan.  There’s a lot of oil in Iraq though.  Afghanistan does however hold what many geologists believe to be the second largest deposits of rare earth elements, second to China.  What Iraq and Afghanistan both have in common is a border next to Iran.  It doesn’t take a genius to do the math on the last 30 years of foreign policy in the middle east.  So get your facts straight.  There is no honor in being a puppet for a corrupt war based on lies.

          • LalaBoom December 4, 2011

            Oh geez!! There isn’t oil, BUT THERE ARE DRUGS…OPIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it possible that it’s a drug war instead?

          • C. December 10, 2011

            how about if:
            as long as they are there and looting the place for any commodities they find,  know of, learn of, and/or stumble upon. (i.e. oil, opium, ancient artifacts, cash, weaponry, etc.)

          • Guest February 16, 2012

            Well let’s hope so.

        • Neramax December 9, 2011

          But there is heroin . The same reason that Britain had troops there in the 19th century  to protect the opium which was sent to China —hence the Boxer rebellions and the leasing of Hong Kong to the Brits for 99 years when China lost the rather unfair fight with a highly industrialised nation.The same families involved today are the descendants of the families who ran the trade then.The more things change the more they remain the same.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
          India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          What fuels their cars?

      • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

        (Freedom)?  Go talk to the people in the Occupy Wall Street Movement? Then watch out for the Baton!!! And all those para-military peace officers there to protect the establishment from your “Freedom”…

        Semper, Fi

    • C. December 10, 2011

      Actually is does matter because if you are fighting  based on truth and in self defense your purpose and intentions are different, which means a world of difference, especially related to outcome.

    • LeoN1952 December 11, 2011

      Sounds good, but it is not logical, the truth always matters, and it the truth about 9/11 had been told, we never would have gone to war in the first place… but be proud, and just try to sleep… yeah, sometimes you have “visitors” dropping by… sometimes you make eye contact… nothing like your video games.

  • b g October 7, 2011

    If the military gets free healthcare, then why did the marine die?

    • syntrel November 24, 2011

      Like many things that are free.  Quality and free do not often go hand in hand.

  • b g October 7, 2011

    If the military gets free healthcare, then why did the marine die?

    • syntrel November 24, 2011

      Like many things that are free.  Quality and free do not often go hand in hand.

  • Crazybaby October 10, 2011

    What a load off bull honestly peoplewill believe anything. Did you hear that aliens are coming to earth next week to collect some drunk people to experiment on!

    • Mariah Black November 7, 2011

      Oh man if they are, my ex will be the first in line on the list of crazy dunks!

  • Crazybaby October 10, 2011

    What a load off bull honestly peoplewill believe anything. Did you hear that aliens are coming to earth next week to collect some drunk people to experiment on!

    • Mariah Black November 7, 2011

      Oh man if they are, my ex will be the first in line on the list of crazy dunks!

  • Lis October 12, 2011

    I heard Jess talking about that soldier who came in breathing on NPR.  She has written a book, I believe. 

  • Lis October 12, 2011

    I heard Jess talking about that soldier who came in breathing on NPR.  She has written a book, I believe. 

  • Notany October 14, 2011

    The reason why this is not news is because suicide rates of US soldiers are not very dissimilar from suicide rates of other people in the same age  and sex group.  Suicide rate in U.S. males is 17.7 per 100,000. Suicide rate in military is just little higher.

    • Berryjo2 October 22, 2011

      Actually the suicide rate in the military is much larger than the 17.7 per 100,000 number you cite.  There are only about a hundred thousand in Iraq and Afganistan, and 2.2 million on active and reserve duty.   If these numbers come only from active duty soliders the suicide rate is about 33 per 100,000.

  • Notany October 14, 2011

    The reason why this is not news is because suicide rates of US soldiers are not very dissimilar from suicide rates of other people in the same age  and sex group.  Suicide rate in U.S. males is 17.7 per 100,000. Suicide rate in military is just little higher.

    • Berryjo2 October 22, 2011

      Actually the suicide rate in the military is much larger than the 17.7 per 100,000 number you cite.  There are only about a hundred thousand in Iraq and Afganistan, and 2.2 million on active and reserve duty.   If these numbers come only from active duty soliders the suicide rate is about 33 per 100,000.

  • HeikeZimmermann October 17, 2011

    More US citizen commited suicide than died in combat.

    • IRIQUOIS227 October 19, 2011

      did you “read” that statement above?  jesus f. christ, what a dimwit.

  • HeikeZimmermann October 17, 2011

    More US citizen commited suicide than died in combat.

  • IRIQUOIS227 October 19, 2011

    the dimwit that asked the stupid question above doesn’t seem to realize this “suicide” phenomenon on this scale is new.  not seen in US war history.   the fact he asks the question clearly defines him as stupid.  low quality troops, low quality training, low quality command structure, unelected presidunce Bush,  need i say more? 

  • Ted Bohne October 19, 2011

    the dimwit that asked the stupid question above doesn’t seem to realize this “suicide” phenomenon on this scale is new.  not seen in US war history.   the fact he asks the question clearly defines him as stupid.  low quality troops, low quality training, low quality command structure, unelected presidunce Bush,  need i say more? 

  • IRIQUOIS227 October 19, 2011

    view the docudrama “REDACTED.”  you may find answers there.

  • Ted Bohne October 19, 2011

    view the docudrama “REDACTED.”  you may find answers there.

  • gwpriester October 20, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please
    let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we
    don’t know.”

    Er, maybe not sending the same troops back for 3, 4, or 5 (maybe by now 6) tours of combat duty will help!

    In the Vietnam war, a soldier served one 13 month tour. And if he or she returned home alive, her or his military combat tour was over. Unless the soldier was a career soldier in which case he or she could be sent back into combat.

    But to give these troops a few weeks at home to recoup, then to send them back to a foreign country, to fight a war whose purpose is vague at best, does not promote sound minds.

    • Leaderadvocate November 5, 2011

      Get your facts straight before posting. When you post on emotion, then you sound like an idiot. What do you propose we do, go back to a draft? Soldiers today are no way near the soldiers of Vietnam. Apples and oranges! They are volunteer soldiers, and don’t have to deal with the quality of Soldiers you had to work with as with the draft.

      • Evan Watts November 24, 2011

        As a Vietnam era veteran, what you are saying is ONLY partly correct,sir. As a product of my dad as a professional career soldier of WWII,Korea,& Vetnam & being an U.S.A.F. Strategic Air Command, during the scary “cold war” times, I somewhat have an insight on this subject. Yes, the draft is now not a factor anymore, but that is due to Washington’s change in their viewpoint, and it’s defense budget allotted. As a result the military has made a move, over the many years, by doing MORE  with less personnel.As a result with the death of the “evil empire”, that prompted massive fear in the U.S.A. to introduce the triad and it’s M.A.D.  idea, Washington was on the track to “save” money by reducing the number of personnel & the bases.
        The soldier of today, those same  good military reserve  people are being ask to obey their given orders 365 days,24 hours each and every time, over and over a gain,under in-conceivable conditions. 
        It’s no-wonder their stesses overwhelm them. That’s the true reality sir. Everyone has a limit.

      • dearone January 11, 2012

        leaderadvocate, yes, there needs to be a draft! for women and men BOTH. why do you think there isn’t a draft at present? maybe because if there were then the people would be rising up against these unjust wars FINALLY??? think about it, won’t you?

    • David Israel November 24, 2011

      These PTSD soldiers sicken me. They are a drain on society. We have tons of them in Israel. Better they take care of themselves than people pay for their cuckoo brain.

      I served. I am not crazy, I am happy.

      • OathKpr November 24, 2011

        You sicken me. If you can take numerous human lives and be constantly exposed to death of close friends and children without any emotion or bad dealings then in my opinion you need to evaluate what is important in your life. I saw to many innocent lives lost and families lose their only children over what? an illegal war for minerals that are not ours?lemme guess you are more upset Bout an animal dyeing than a human?

        • Voice of Reason November 26, 2011

          I do agree that he is being very inconsiderate, and doesn’t truly understand the human mind (he may even have underlying problems in his mind that will appear later, but that isn’t true for everyone,) but you are also being rather inconsiderate .) Soldiers are trained to become accustomed to the killing of other soldiers, and loss of people around them. You cannot fully take the thoughts away as shown in the after problems of many soldiers, but some are able to put it out of the way to fight for us. To criticize what is important in his life is very inconsiderate, being as he was trained in order to actually think the way you are demonizing him for thinking. 

          • OathKpr November 26, 2011

            Believe me I understand that the human brain can be desensitized to those types of things and some twisted people do actually enjoy it. I see it day in and day out. However I see to many homeless vets that are so mentally unstable from the garbage their country has put them through its sickening. Seeing children murdered will mess a person up, especially a parent, my supervisor lost it when his first Iraqi kid died on him in the ER, he was the same age as his own son. I am not demonizing him just trying to help the guy realize its ok to be upset after you kill someone or lose a fellow soldier. Trust me I have been there and you don’t want to Bottle that shit up. One day it will come out.

        • blakmira December 10, 2011

          There was no need to add your last comment “let me guess, you are more upset about an animal dying than a human.” What does one have to do with the other? One’s love for animals should never be used as an excuse or motivating factor for one’s callous attitudes towards humans. Besides, animals were never even mentioned in the OP’s comment.  

          Stick to the subject matter. All life is valuable, which is why we should be opposed to wars and any taking of life.

          • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

            I think OathKpr was making a point.   And I think he did a beautiful job.

      • Anubreed November 26, 2011

        You are the one that is sickening.  

      • Eschompthis4star December 3, 2011

        lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

      • Lalaboom December 4, 2011

        PTSD is serious and real. Anyone, including military should get help asap. It takes a long time to heal because your mind recalls the trauma over and over again. You lose sleep, get depressed and anxious. It isn’t a laughing matter and they definitely aren’t crazy. Drain on society? The drain on society are people who live here on our tax dollars or the drug dealers/addicts who put our lives in constant jeopardy.

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          What about that PMS? Amirite?

          • O'Dowd February 16, 2012

            I feel ya man

          • paper writing services March 11, 2012

            me too!! absolutely right feeling, isn’t it?

      • Bubbazinetti December 9, 2011

        You are among the lucky ones, but not all soldiers, especially those conscripted from civilian life, are able to deal with what they’ve experienced.  The problem is that stigma and lack of resources mean that many do not get the help they need.  With simple, inexpensive and short-term treatment, many with PTSD could successfully integrate back into society, but attitudes like yours only keep them from getting the help they need.  Not that I’d expect a lot of compassion from an Israeli.  I hope your comments are an example to all of the stigma those with PTSD have to face everyday.

      • MrBillCVanc December 10, 2011

        There could be some factors which would exacerbate
        Depression in these soldiers.
        1 Excitotoxins in the processed food they eat. ie MSG
        Glutamate, Aspartamine,  etc… refer to Dr. Blaylocks
        Book, “:The taste that Kills”
        2. Russian “Woodpecker” and scalar wave technologies.
        These weaponized devices can interfer with the well being  of brain chemistries . Dr Nick B wrote the book
        “Angels don’t play this Harp” Russia has developed this
        technology for field application. Also Iran supposedly
        has Scalar wave weapons buried on their borders. Note
        they just brought down a US unmaned drone!!!
        Just some different Ideas to stir in the pot.
        MrBillC

      • jason ellis December 10, 2011

        @twitter-302930167:disqus  I bet you served in a time of relative peace, and did not have any traumatic experiences. The military is a drain on society. The government is a drain on society. Those who come out of war with PTSD are the cost and consequence of being a warlike, big government society. If we cannot take care of those injured in war, be it physical and or mental, then we have no business going to war in the first place.

        I also served, but unlike you, I am not happy. I saw and learned things that I wish upon nobody. It scarred me, both physically and mentally. I have what may be called a moral wound. That is when one is forced to go against one’s deeply held moral beliefs, and then suffers (possibly forever) with an intractable conflict within. Suicide may be the only cure for such a moral wound, and I’m only surprised that the suicide numbers are not higher. I’ve been on the brink twice, and am not sure of my future.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You sound like a decent patriot who served his country with honor and dignity.  Your country now needs you because your are the type of person who can lead our country and inspire others to lead our country in the right direction.  I thank you for your service to our country.  

        • dearone January 11, 2012

          oh dear, jason ellis i am sorry that you were put in harms way.. i realize you signed up for it but i do not feel that really counts, not when the recruiters are singing a song of travel and education as the prize.. or the lie that you are “helping” your country.

          please, don’t hurt yourself – please do your best to overcome this awful situation..

          bless bless <3

      • Sovereign Citizen D December 10, 2011

        you also served in a totally different generation… your wars were nothing like todays never ending wars.

      • Suiteamsterdam December 10, 2011

        u r an idiot

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          Well played sir. Well played indeed.

      • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

        Who are you trying to convince.

      • antibeast March 5, 2012

        “I served.  I am not crazy. I am happy”

        You can only be two of the above.

      • M_busija May 5, 2012

         Orthodox Jews are a drain on society in Israel. They don’t work, have tons of children and are kept by the state. Soldiers, on the other hand serve and are to be caste aside like so much dirt when they are traumatized?

      • Ducky October 26, 2012

        I don’t think you are sickening. I feel that you are just repulsive like a reptile.

      • Mrnitto October 26, 2012

        I feel that one of the great contributors to your being happy with murder and mayhem is the simple fact that you are a sociopath, Oh sorry a sadistic sociopath.

  • gwpriester October 20, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please
    let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we
    don’t know.”

    Er, maybe not sending the same troops back for 3, 4, or 5 (maybe by now 6) tours of combat duty will help!

    In the Vietnam war, a soldier served one 13 month tour. And if he or she returned home alive, her or his military combat tour was over. Unless the soldier was a career soldier in which case he or she could be sent back into combat.

    But to give these troops a few weeks at home to recoup, then to send them back to a foreign country, to fight a war whose purpose is vague at best, does not promote sound minds.

    • Leaderadvocate November 5, 2011

      Get your facts straight before posting. When you post on emotion, then you sound like an idiot. What do you propose we do, go back to a draft? Soldiers today are no way near the soldiers of Vietnam. Apples and oranges! They are volunteer soldiers, and don’t have to deal with the quality of Soldiers you had to work with as with the draft.

      • Evan Watts November 24, 2011

        As a Vietnam era veteran, what you are saying is ONLY partly correct,sir. As a product of my dad as a professional career soldier of WWII,Korea,& Vetnam & being an U.S.A.F. Strategic Air Command, during the scary “cold war” times, I somewhat have an insight on this subject. Yes, the draft is now not a factor anymore, but that is due to Washington’s change in their viewpoint, and it’s defense budget allotted. As a result the military has made a move, over the many years, by doing MORE  with less personnel.As a result with the death of the “evil empire”, that prompted massive fear in the U.S.A. to introduce the triad and it’s M.A.D.  idea, Washington was on the track to “save” money by reducing the number of personnel & the bases.
        The soldier of today, those same  good military reserve  people are being ask to obey their given orders 365 days,24 hours each and every time, over and over a gain,under in-conceivable conditions. 
        It’s no-wonder their stesses overwhelm them. That’s the true reality sir. Everyone has a limit.

      • dearone January 11, 2012

        leaderadvocate, yes, there needs to be a draft! for women and men BOTH. why do you think there isn’t a draft at present? maybe because if there were then the people would be rising up against these unjust wars FINALLY??? think about it, won’t you?

    • David Israel November 24, 2011

      These PTSD soldiers sicken me. They are a drain on society. We have tons of them in Israel. Better they take care of themselves than people pay for their cuckoo brain.

      I served. I am not crazy, I am happy.

      • Anonymous November 24, 2011

        You sicken me. If you can take numerous human lives and be constantly exposed to death of close friends and children without any emotion or bad dealings then in my opinion you need to evaluate what is important in your life. I saw to many innocent lives lost and families lose their only children over what? an illegal war for minerals that are not ours?lemme guess you are more upset Bout an animal dyeing than a human?

        • Voice of Reason November 26, 2011

          I do agree that he is being very inconsiderate, and doesn’t truly understand the human mind (he may even have underlying problems in his mind that will appear later, but that isn’t true for everyone,) but you are also being rather inconsiderate .) Soldiers are trained to become accustomed to the killing of other soldiers, and loss of people around them. You cannot fully take the thoughts away as shown in the after problems of many soldiers, but some are able to put it out of the way to fight for us. To criticize what is important in his life is very inconsiderate, being as he was trained in order to actually think the way you are demonizing him for thinking. 

          • Anonymous November 26, 2011

            Believe me I understand that the human brain can be desensitized to those types of things and some twisted people do actually enjoy it. I see it day in and day out. However I see to many homeless vets that are so mentally unstable from the garbage their country has put them through its sickening. Seeing children murdered will mess a person up, especially a parent, my supervisor lost it when his first Iraqi kid died on him in the ER, he was the same age as his own son. I am not demonizing him just trying to help the guy realize its ok to be upset after you kill someone or lose a fellow soldier. Trust me I have been there and you don’t want to Bottle that shit up. One day it will come out.

        • Anonymous December 10, 2011

          There was no need to add your last comment “let me guess, you are more upset about an animal dying than a human.” What does one have to do with the other? One’s love for animals should never be used as an excuse or motivating factor for one’s callous attitudes towards humans. Besides, animals were never even mentioned in the OP’s comment.  

          Stick to the subject matter. All life is valuable, which is why we should be opposed to wars and any taking of life.

          • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

            I think OathKpr was making a point.   And I think he did a beautiful job.

      • Anubreed November 26, 2011

        You are the one that is sickening.  

      • Anubreed November 26, 2011

        You are the one that is sickening.  

      • Eschompthis4star December 3, 2011

        lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

      • Eschompthis4star December 3, 2011

        lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

      • Eschompthis4star December 3, 2011

        lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

      • Eschompthis4star December 3, 2011

        lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

      • Valha85 December 3, 2011

        you are also an asshole

      • Valha85 December 3, 2011

        you are also an asshole

      • Valha85 December 3, 2011

        you are also an asshole

      • Lalaboom December 4, 2011

        PTSD is serious and real. Anyone, including military should get help asap. It takes a long time to heal because your mind recalls the trauma over and over again. You lose sleep, get depressed and anxious. It isn’t a laughing matter and they definitely aren’t crazy. Drain on society? The drain on society are people who live here on our tax dollars or the drug dealers/addicts who put our lives in constant jeopardy.

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          What about that PMS? Amirite?

          • O'Dowd February 16, 2012

            I feel ya man

          • paper writing services March 11, 2012

            me too!! absolutely right feeling, isn’t it?

      • Bubbazinetti December 9, 2011

        You are among the lucky ones, but not all soldiers, especially those conscripted from civilian life, are able to deal with what they’ve experienced.  The problem is that stigma and lack of resources mean that many do not get the help they need.  With simple, inexpensive and short-term treatment, many with PTSD could successfully integrate back into society, but attitudes like yours only keep them from getting the help they need.  Not that I’d expect a lot of compassion from an Israeli.  I hope your comments are an example to all of the stigma those with PTSD have to face everyday.

      • Bubbazinetti December 9, 2011

        You are among the lucky ones, but not all soldiers, especially those conscripted from civilian life, are able to deal with what they’ve experienced.  The problem is that stigma and lack of resources mean that many do not get the help they need.  With simple, inexpensive and short-term treatment, many with PTSD could successfully integrate back into society, but attitudes like yours only keep them from getting the help they need.  Not that I’d expect a lot of compassion from an Israeli.  I hope your comments are an example to all of the stigma those with PTSD have to face everyday.

      • MrBillCVanc December 10, 2011

        There could be some factors which would exacerbate
        Depression in these soldiers.
        1 Excitotoxins in the processed food they eat. ie MSG
        Glutamate, Aspartamine,  etc… refer to Dr. Blaylocks
        Book, “:The taste that Kills”
        2. Russian “Woodpecker” and scalar wave technologies.
        These weaponized devices can interfer with the well being  of brain chemistries . Dr Nick B wrote the book
        “Angels don’t play this Harp” Russia has developed this
        technology for field application. Also Iran supposedly
        has Scalar wave weapons buried on their borders. Note
        they just brought down a US unmaned drone!!!
        Just some different Ideas to stir in the pot.
        MrBillC

      • jason ellis December 10, 2011

        @twitter-302930167:disqus  I bet you served in a time of relative peace, and did not have any traumatic experiences. The military is a drain on society. The government is a drain on society. Those who come out of war with PTSD are the cost and consequence of being a warlike, big government society. If we cannot take care of those injured in war, be it physical and or mental, then we have no business going to war in the first place.

        I also served, but unlike you, I am not happy. I saw and learned things that I wish upon nobody. It scarred me, both physically and mentally. I have what may be called a moral wound. That is when one is forced to go against one’s deeply held moral beliefs, and then suffers (possibly forever) with an intractable conflict within. Suicide may be the only cure for such a moral wound, and I’m only surprised that the suicide numbers are not higher. I’ve been on the brink twice, and am not sure of my future.

        • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

          You sound like a decent patriot who served his country with honor and dignity.  Your country now needs you because your are the type of person who can lead our country and inspire others to lead our country in the right direction.  I thank you for your service to our country.  

        • dearone January 11, 2012

          oh dear, jason ellis i am sorry that you were put in harms way.. i realize you signed up for it but i do not feel that really counts, not when the recruiters are singing a song of travel and education as the prize.. or the lie that you are “helping” your country.

          please, don’t hurt yourself – please do your best to overcome this awful situation..

          bless bless <3

      • Thomas Mfba DeRossett December 10, 2011

        you also served in a totally different generation… your wars were nothing like todays never ending wars.

      • Suiteamsterdam December 10, 2011

        u r an idiot

        • Guest February 16, 2012

          Well played sir. Well played indeed.

      • Suiteamsterdam December 10, 2011

        u r an idiot

      • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

        Who are you trying to convince.

      • antibeast March 5, 2012

        “I served.  I am not crazy. I am happy”

        You can only be two of the above.

      • antibeast March 5, 2012

        “I served.  I am not crazy. I am happy”

        You can only be two of the above.

      • M_busija May 5, 2012

         Orthodox Jews are a drain on society in Israel. They don’t work, have tons of children and are kept by the state. Soldiers, on the other hand serve and are to be caste aside like so much dirt when they are traumatized?

      • Ducky October 26, 2012

        I don’t think you are sickening. I feel that you are just repulsive like a reptile.

      • Mrnitto October 26, 2012

        I feel that one of the great contributors to your being happy with murder and mayhem is the simple fact that you are a sociopath, Oh sorry a sadistic sociopath.

  • Jbenn0991 November 6, 2011

    to many young soldiers getting there E-5 and abusing there power because they are not mature enough to use it to train a young soldier. That I personally saw cause depression in the ranks

    • Jane December 10, 2011

      Agree Jbenn0991, this is a problem that is not being addressed within the military. 

  • Jbenn0991 November 6, 2011

    to many young soldiers getting there E-5 and abusing there power because they are not mature enough to use it to train a young soldier. That I personally saw cause depression in the ranks

    • Jane December 10, 2011

      Agree Jbenn0991, this is a problem that is not being addressed within the military. 

  • Sandra Hemmes November 21, 2011

    I can’t understand how soldiers can obey their commander when the DOD is all about making the top politicans rich.  And soldiers are expected to kill innocent people.  The soldiers are right in the middle of all the lies, and of course they see it all and hear it all.  Let the politicians fight amongst themselves to solve their differences, and leave the every day people alone. 

    • Evan Watts November 24, 2011

      Sandra, I  know how what your saying makes a lot of sense, but take a look from the young person that may not have many means or resources & are trying to feed their family.Sure,after signing up in the reserve military,they might not be thinking things through,but to them desperate times require desperate means. The government has always counted on many young and the poor.
      And yes, I agree with all you have said about the devisive and immoral enmities in our governments. 

  • Sandra Hemmes November 21, 2011

    I can’t understand how soldiers can obey their commander when the DOD is all about making the top politicans rich.  And soldiers are expected to kill innocent people.  The soldiers are right in the middle of all the lies, and of course they see it all and hear it all.  Let the politicians fight amongst themselves to solve their differences, and leave the every day people alone. 

    • Evan Watts November 24, 2011

      Sandra, I  know how what your saying makes a lot of sense, but take a look from the young person that may not have many means or resources & are trying to feed their family.Sure,after signing up in the reserve military,they might not be thinking things through,but to them desperate times require desperate means. The government has always counted on many young and the poor.
      And yes, I agree with all you have said about the devisive and immoral enmities in our governments. 

  • fatback November 28, 2011

    I can tell you why. Because the bureaucrats won’t let them win, that’s why. There is also no clearly defined goal to what a win would even be. If the Politicians would get out of the way and let those boys go take care of business, then they could all get back home to their families feeling like winners in stead of losers.  They’re not losers but many of our Politicians sure are.

  • fatback November 28, 2011

    I can tell you why. Because the bureaucrats won’t let them win, that’s why. There is also no clearly defined goal to what a win would even be. If the Politicians would get out of the way and let those boys go take care of business, then they could all get back home to their families feeling like winners in stead of losers.  They’re not losers but many of our Politicians sure are.

  • Krs December 3, 2011

    Nothing ever changes.

  • Krs December 3, 2011

    Nothing ever changes.

  • Krs December 3, 2011

    Nothing ever changes.

  • Kev December 3, 2011

    They are fighting for more special unappreciated rights for women.  As such, they have no “pursuit of happiness” once they return to the feminized US, if they ever get to.

  • Kev December 3, 2011

    They are fighting for more special unappreciated rights for women.  As such, they have no “pursuit of happiness” once they return to the feminized US, if they ever get to.

  • Kev December 3, 2011

    They are fighting for more special unappreciated rights for women.  As such, they have no “pursuit of happiness” once they return to the feminized US, if they ever get to.

  • Rockon0311 December 3, 2011

    if you have never served, or had an immediate member of your family serve. you should have nothing to say about the way military life really is.

    • Joshua Porrata December 3, 2011

      nay

      • taylor December 10, 2011

        Absolutely. The military life is uniquely difficult, but so is the amazing support systems. I grew up in an Air Force family, and I am in the Army myself. 21 years of military lief has taught me that the people are great, and take care of each other like no one else. 

    • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

      The citizen and taxpayer is responsible for the well being of our soldiers.  We should have all the right because in the end we the citizen need to take responsibility for what our government does.  

    • Hrobyn- until we have answers January 13, 2012

      my son not only served for over six years, the military lied to us about his death. he was a good, honorable sailor but that didn’t matter in the end. just like a broken piece of equipment they tossed him away. unless you have buried  your 25 year old son don’t critize me. it’s been 20 years and i still hurt every day.i hope you NEVER have an esperience like this. i gave them my son, they at least owed me the truth. 

  • Rockon0311 December 3, 2011

    if you have never served, or had an immediate member of your family serve. you should have nothing to say about the way military life really is.

    • Joshua P. December 3, 2011

      nay

      • taylor December 10, 2011

        Absolutely. The military life is uniquely difficult, but so is the amazing support systems. I grew up in an Air Force family, and I am in the Army myself. 21 years of military lief has taught me that the people are great, and take care of each other like no one else. 

    • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

      The citizen and taxpayer is responsible for the well being of our soldiers.  We should have all the right because in the end we the citizen need to take responsibility for what our government does.  

    • Hrobyn- until we have answers January 13, 2012

      my son not only served for over six years, the military lied to us about his death. he was a good, honorable sailor but that didn’t matter in the end. just like a broken piece of equipment they tossed him away. unless you have buried  your 25 year old son don’t critize me. it’s been 20 years and i still hurt every day.i hope you NEVER have an esperience like this. i gave them my son, they at least owed me the truth. 

  • John December 3, 2011

    They didn’t account for the soldiers that got out of the army and then committed suicide

  • John December 3, 2011

    They didn’t account for the soldiers that got out of the army and then committed suicide

  • John December 3, 2011

    They didn’t account for the soldiers that got out of the army and then committed suicide

  • Joshua Porrata December 3, 2011

    When you come to the horrible realization that you were willing party to murder then you really only have a few choices. suicide being a valid one.

  • Joshua P. December 3, 2011

    When you come to the horrible realization that you were willing party to murder then you really only have a few choices. suicide being a valid one.

  • Neramax December 9, 2011

    Do you people know what the word serve means? Most of you seem to use it . It comes from the Latin word  SERVUS  which means SLAVE.
    Amazing ,huh?

  • Neramax December 9, 2011

    Do you people know what the word serve means? Most of you seem to use it . It comes from the Latin word  SERVUS  which means SLAVE.
    Amazing ,huh?

  • Neramax December 9, 2011

    Do you people know what the word serve means? Most of you seem to use it . It comes from the Latin word  SERVUS  which means SLAVE.
    Amazing ,huh?

  • Dyckes December 10, 2011

    The line troops in 12 months in the field saw more
     combat than infantry units saw in WWII in 4 yrs….
     Calling Iraq and Afghan a WAR is a misnomer….
     The casualty reports do not confirm it….15,000
    that’s 50 dudes A DAY…
     men died in VIETNAM  in 1968…..and no doubt
     90% of the soldiers who venture in those zones
     nowdays are just REMF’s..the rear escelon who will never
      see actual combat or see their units decimated within
      one year…the US Soldier nowdays is not a volunteer….
       he is a paid Merc…..who happened to be disolutioned
       and unemployed teenager…ect…..things keep transpiring
       in Pakistan like they have been …..these REMF’s will be
        forced to prove themselves in a REAL WAR…. instead of a 
    Bloody Police Action….with tactical air support
    wearing the uniform
        doesn’t make you an instant RAMBO….yeh have to pay
        your dues first….and then your’e   ANTI WAR……the
         reason for all the suicides…..the solution to NAM was
         the draftees no longer showed up…..and the troops began
         the internal rebellion  via fragging…ect  in the field….something
         the Defense Dept ( ex WaR Department) will not admit…
       

    • Orpheumbanjer December 12, 2011

      15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        78% of statistics are made up on the spot, sir.

    • Orpheumbanjer December 12, 2011

      15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

    • Myself December 15, 2011

      You are an idiot sir. Your whole paragraph with all of the……and the DoD is not ex War it is still the war department. Do you really think they got rid of a department that conceptualizes war? Leaving us with nothing? and if you for once think that fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq is not a real war, then you have not been. So do us all a favor and kill yourself so we do not have you running around spreading your idiocy throughout our beloved country.
       

  • Dyckes December 10, 2011

    The line troops in 12 months in the field saw more
     combat than infantry units saw in WWII in 4 yrs….
     Calling Iraq and Afghan a WAR is a misnomer….
     The casualty reports do not confirm it….15,000
    that’s 50 dudes A DAY…
     men died in VIETNAM  in 1968…..and no doubt
     90% of the soldiers who venture in those zones
     nowdays are just REMF’s..the rear escelon who will never
      see actual combat or see their units decimated within
      one year…the US Soldier nowdays is not a volunteer….
       he is a paid Merc…..who happened to be disolutioned
       and unemployed teenager…ect…..things keep transpiring
       in Pakistan like they have been …..these REMF’s will be
        forced to prove themselves in a REAL WAR…. instead of a 
    Bloody Police Action….with tactical air support
    wearing the uniform
        doesn’t make you an instant RAMBO….yeh have to pay
        your dues first….and then your’e   ANTI WAR……the
         reason for all the suicides…..the solution to NAM was
         the draftees no longer showed up…..and the troops began
         the internal rebellion  via fragging…ect  in the field….something
         the Defense Dept ( ex WaR Department) will not admit…
       

    • Orpheumbanjer December 12, 2011

      15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        78% of statistics are made up on the spot, sir.

    • Myself December 15, 2011

      You are an idiot sir. Your whole paragraph with all of the……and the DoD is not ex War it is still the war department. Do you really think they got rid of a department that conceptualizes war? Leaving us with nothing? and if you for once think that fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq is not a real war, then you have not been. So do us all a favor and kill yourself so we do not have you running around spreading your idiocy throughout our beloved country.
       

  • steve whodat December 10, 2011

    I know why. thier conscience can’t deal with what they know we have done. that’s the same reason that army shrink went postal. he broke under the weight of all the stories told him by his patients.
    somebody pass it on the the pentagon huh.

  • steve whodat December 10, 2011

    I know why. thier conscience can’t deal with what they know we have done. that’s the same reason that army shrink went postal. he broke under the weight of all the stories told him by his patients.
    somebody pass it on the the pentagon huh.

  • steve whodat December 10, 2011

    I know why. thier conscience can’t deal with what they know we have done. that’s the same reason that army shrink went postal. he broke under the weight of all the stories told him by his patients.
    somebody pass it on the the pentagon huh.

  • Tim December 10, 2011

    Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.

    • Myself December 15, 2011

      that wouldnt be bad that would be like yay we get to rid the world of idiots like you.

    • Myself December 15, 2011

      that wouldnt be bad that would be like yay we get to rid the world of idiots like you.

    • Nick April 29, 2012

      Like the WWI vets at the white house?

  • Tim December 10, 2011

    Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.

  • Vellachsamie December 10, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”I say, time to demote General Peter Chiarelli and find someone with better knowledge about humans to be a General. After all the army still uses humans not robots. What a moron.

  • Vellachsamie December 10, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”I say, time to demote General Peter Chiarelli and find someone with better knowledge about humans to be a General. After all the army still uses humans not robots. What a moron.

  • Kansas Bright December 10, 2011

    General Peter Chiarelli, did you ever think it might be because they take an Oath to support and defend the US Constitution when they go in. That they are told it is all about “protecting American Freedom” and it turns out it is a UN issue or defending big business issue in reality.
    Then they see the “politics” involved with higher ups who lie, cheat, steal, do anything but what they are in there to do, which is defend this nation from the DOMESTIC enemies as well as the Foreign ones.
    That we have a POTUS who is illegally occupying that office because he did NOT keep his Oath as required to do if he wanted to LEGALLY stay in that position. That alone says we have been taken over by DOMESTIC enemies.
    Plus I am sure some of those were actually murdered for refusing to not uphold their Oath to their country for whom they were REALLY fighting, and then called suicide.  (from one who served and needs to be kept private).
    If you do NOT have the honor or Balls to keep the Oath you took (quite a few times on your way up the ladder) then you need to be arrested as a Domestic Enemy of the USA.

    A US citizen who cares about THIS country, not politics which is ran by domestic enemies, or upward mobility at the cost of American citizens and this countries liberty.

  • Kansas Bright December 10, 2011

    General Peter Chiarelli, did you ever think it might be because they take an Oath to support and defend the US Constitution when they go in. That they are told it is all about “protecting American Freedom” and it turns out it is a UN issue or defending big business issue in reality.
    Then they see the “politics” involved with higher ups who lie, cheat, steal, do anything but what they are in there to do, which is defend this nation from the DOMESTIC enemies as well as the Foreign ones.
    That we have a POTUS who is illegally occupying that office because he did NOT keep his Oath as required to do if he wanted to LEGALLY stay in that position. That alone says we have been taken over by DOMESTIC enemies.
    Plus I am sure some of those were actually murdered for refusing to not uphold their Oath to their country for whom they were REALLY fighting, and then called suicide.  (from one who served and needs to be kept private).
    If you do NOT have the honor or Balls to keep the Oath you took (quite a few times on your way up the ladder) then you need to be arrested as a Domestic Enemy of the USA.

    A US citizen who cares about THIS country, not politics which is ran by domestic enemies, or upward mobility at the cost of American citizens and this countries liberty.

  • Taylor December 10, 2011

    This statistic is being woefully misused here. Fewer die in combat than suicide because the US military is excellent at fighting safely, not because they commit suicide a lot. In fact, other studies show that soldiers are less likely to commit suicide than their civilian peers. What should actually be taken away from this is that the young people overseas are so good at their jobs, that they are safer from combat than civilians are from suicide. 

    • Anonymous December 10, 2011

      Perhaps you could cheer up poor old General Chiarelli with your spin…dont worry we’re very good at fighting safely, ignore the majority of dead soldiers corpses with slit wrists and look at the others instead.

  • Taylor December 10, 2011

    This statistic is being woefully misused here. Fewer die in combat than suicide because the US military is excellent at fighting safely, not because they commit suicide a lot. In fact, other studies show that soldiers are less likely to commit suicide than their civilian peers. What should actually be taken away from this is that the young people overseas are so good at their jobs, that they are safer from combat than civilians are from suicide. 

    • sarfarazahmad December 10, 2011

      Perhaps you could cheer up poor old General Chiarelli with your spin…dont worry we’re very good at fighting safely, ignore the majority of dead soldiers corpses with slit wrists and look at the others instead.

  • wendywasp December 10, 2011

    Good Grief!
    Should we be surprised this “too idiotic to be a general” doesn’t get it?  How many of us, if there was no other way wouldn’t kill our own selves in order to stop being forced to kill others (including babies, young children, old people, women)?  These people can find no other way to stop the killing than to kill themselves and these conscienceless morons at the pentagon shrug and go “i don’t know, whadya think?”  

  • wendywasp December 10, 2011

    Good Grief!
    Should we be surprised this “too idiotic to be a general” doesn’t get it?  How many of us, if there was no other way wouldn’t kill our own selves in order to stop being forced to kill others (including babies, young children, old people, women)?  These people can find no other way to stop the killing than to kill themselves and these conscienceless morons at the pentagon shrug and go “i don’t know, whadya think?”  

  • Anonymous December 10, 2011

    This doesn’t even take into account the various experimental vaccinations all soldiers are forced to submit to.

    The only solution here is to convince people to STOP SIGNING UP for these wars!!!!  

  • Anonymous December 10, 2011

    This doesn’t even take into account the various experimental vaccinations all soldiers are forced to submit to.

    The only solution here is to convince people to STOP SIGNING UP for these wars!!!!  

  • blakmira December 10, 2011

    This doesn’t even take into account the various experimental vaccinations all soldiers are forced to submit to.

    The only solution here is to convince people to STOP SIGNING UP for these wars!!!!  

  • Raemi December 10, 2011

    We have to remember, there are suicides all the time in all walks of life.  We just don’t hear ablut 99% of them.  So, when you take into account that all of these suicides are reported and that the people serving in the Army now are a cross section of society, there numbers should not suprise anyone.

  • Raemi December 10, 2011

    We have to remember, there are suicides all the time in all walks of life.  We just don’t hear ablut 99% of them.  So, when you take into account that all of these suicides are reported and that the people serving in the Army now are a cross section of society, there numbers should not suprise anyone.

  • Raemi December 10, 2011

    We have to remember, there are suicides all the time in all walks of life.  We just don’t hear ablut 99% of them.  So, when you take into account that all of these suicides are reported and that the people serving in the Army now are a cross section of society, there numbers should not suprise anyone.

  • Stainlessea73 December 11, 2011

    This goes for any time your strugling in life and feel depressed or hopeless. It’s called the “HALT” rule. Halt stands for four words.
    Four things that if you give attention to will help you to feel better. They are Hungry, Angry, Lonely and Tired. The more of these you have at any one time the more you feel overwehlmed. Sometimes you cannot fix them all but if you can make one better then you will start to feel better. So if your depressed
    Halt yourself and ask yourself what can I fix right now.    

  • Stainlessea73 December 11, 2011

    This goes for any time your strugling in life and feel depressed or hopeless. It’s called the “HALT” rule. Halt stands for four words.
    Four things that if you give attention to will help you to feel better. They are Hungry, Angry, Lonely and Tired. The more of these you have at any one time the more you feel overwehlmed. Sometimes you cannot fix them all but if you can make one better then you will start to feel better. So if your depressed
    Halt yourself and ask yourself what can I fix right now.    

  • Big Dan December 11, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”Is this guy kidding? That’s EASY! ILLEGAL WARS are causing them to commit suicide, you idiot!

  • Big Dan December 11, 2011

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”Is this guy kidding? That’s EASY! ILLEGAL WARS are causing them to commit suicide, you idiot!

  • Someuser December 11, 2011

    Tim said:  “Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.”  At least Tim is awake.  What about the other 300+ million Americans?

  • Someuser December 11, 2011

    Tim said:  “Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.”  At least Tim is awake.  What about the other 300+ million Americans?

  • Ray Morrison December 11, 2011

    The One Thing that causes Suicide is ELF Frequencies Between 6 to 10 Hz sending negative hate signals being transmitted by H.A.A.R.P. yes your own Military and it’s doesn’t help when Your Own Military Tells you to kill or brothers and sisters for profit and we all know it so stop the killing and turn off the ELF Transmitters.. Why do some not feel the effects of depression…   THEY SMOKE POT and ELF Signals are ignored by the effect of Marijuana actually creating new  Cannabinoid receptor type 1   phytocannabinoids and you start to experience new intellect Ignoring the NEW WORLD ORDER…, 

    • Cmfbear16 December 13, 2011

      tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

    • Cmfbear16 December 13, 2011

      tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        While elegant, the elves have a hard time playing the harp. The primary reason being that they’re stoned.

    • Cmfbear16 December 13, 2011

      tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

  • Ray Morrison December 11, 2011

    The One Thing that causes Suicide is ELF Frequencies Between 6 to 10 Hz sending negative hate signals being transmitted by H.A.A.R.P. yes your own Military and it’s doesn’t help when Your Own Military Tells you to kill or brothers and sisters for profit and we all know it so stop the killing and turn off the ELF Transmitters.. Why do some not feel the effects of depression…   THEY SMOKE POT and ELF Signals are ignored by the effect of Marijuana actually creating new  Cannabinoid receptor type 1   phytocannabinoids and you start to experience new intellect Ignoring the NEW WORLD ORDER…, 

    • Cmfbear16 December 13, 2011

      tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

      • Guest February 16, 2012

        While elegant, the elves have a hard time playing the harp. The primary reason being that they’re stoned.

  • Shaban Shaulic December 12, 2011

    Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

  • Shaban Shaulic December 12, 2011

    Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

  • Shaban Shaulic December 12, 2011

    Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

  • Shaban Shaulic December 12, 2011

    Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

  • Shaban Shaulic December 12, 2011

    Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

  • Jarrod Tisthammer December 13, 2011

    Marines are not soldiers… They are Marines.  Also Marine is capitalized. There are some messed up variables here too, the Marine Corps has a much lower suicide rate than the Army, however much of the focus of the article is on the Marines.  Call me confused.  I spent 8 years in the Corps, much in Iraq, I know people that are suffering, but no one is going this far.

  • Jarrod Tisthammer December 13, 2011

    Marines are not soldiers… They are Marines.  Also Marine is capitalized. There are some messed up variables here too, the Marine Corps has a much lower suicide rate than the Army, however much of the focus of the article is on the Marines.  Call me confused.  I spent 8 years in the Corps, much in Iraq, I know people that are suffering, but no one is going this far.

  • Tucker Wings December 13, 2011

     

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  • Tucker Wings December 13, 2011

     

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    to begin, and there is going to be a short covering in C like few short
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  • Jeris Turner December 13, 2011

    As a therapist, I can tell the general what’s causing all of these suicides. A full 50% of all of our active duty service men & women are suffering from PTSD, a condition that nearly always comes with a secondary diagnosis of depression. What this article doesn’t make clear is how many of those suicides occur AFTER the person has come back to the US. They are hanging on by their fingernails till they can get to the VA for help. Then they find out the waiting list for treatment is 10-11 months. That’s when many suicides take place. For normal human beings, having killed is a heavy burden. Having witnessed death is a trauma in itself. Many military women are being raped and refused any medical treatment. The general need only take an honest look at the system to know what’s wrong.

  • Jeris Turner December 13, 2011

    As a therapist, I can tell the general what’s causing all of these suicides. A full 50% of all of our active duty service men & women are suffering from PTSD, a condition that nearly always comes with a secondary diagnosis of depression. What this article doesn’t make clear is how many of those suicides occur AFTER the person has come back to the US. They are hanging on by their fingernails till they can get to the VA for help. Then they find out the waiting list for treatment is 10-11 months. That’s when many suicides take place. For normal human beings, having killed is a heavy burden. Having witnessed death is a trauma in itself. Many military women are being raped and refused any medical treatment. The general need only take an honest look at the system to know what’s wrong.

  • soldier's mom December 13, 2011

    The Pentagon does not send soldiers to war, politicians do that. I would like to see all of those responsible walk in the shoes of a deployed soldier for just a month and then see if they would send them away from their families for years at a time. Just the isolation from home is horrible enough regardless of the danger. I know, my son just came back from a year in Afghanistan. We need a standing army, navy and air force to protect our country, negotiation cannot be undertaken from a position of weakness, but it is politicians who have recklessly used and abused the power of our armed forces and therefore the  brave men and women who serve, and voters who give them that power. So think carefully who you vote for and in conversation appeal to people’s better nature that they may do the same.  There are life a death consequences to choosing the bully and the  gunslinger as opposed to the statesman and peacemaker.
    In the end it is us the people who are responsible for all of it.

  • soldier's mom December 13, 2011

    The Pentagon does not send soldiers to war, politicians do that. I would like to see all of those responsible walk in the shoes of a deployed soldier for just a month and then see if they would send them away from their families for years at a time. Just the isolation from home is horrible enough regardless of the danger. I know, my son just came back from a year in Afghanistan. We need a standing army, navy and air force to protect our country, negotiation cannot be undertaken from a position of weakness, but it is politicians who have recklessly used and abused the power of our armed forces and therefore the  brave men and women who serve, and voters who give them that power. So think carefully who you vote for and in conversation appeal to people’s better nature that they may do the same.  There are life a death consequences to choosing the bully and the  gunslinger as opposed to the statesman and peacemaker.
    In the end it is us the people who are responsible for all of it.

  • someone_rational December 14, 2011

    the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

  • someone_rational December 14, 2011

    the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

  • someone_rational December 14, 2011

    the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

  • Guy. December 15, 2011

    Soldiers are specifically those in the US Army, Marines are Marines. Which does this statistic pertain to? Soldiers in the Army, or troops overall? 

  • Guy. December 15, 2011

    Soldiers are specifically those in the US Army, Marines are Marines. Which does this statistic pertain to? Soldiers in the Army, or troops overall? 

  • Robert McLaughlin December 17, 2011

    My 2 cents… while I was deployed I saw a lot of whiny brats who flashed gang signs and live for facebook. Drill sergeants today have a rough road molly coddling the kids who complain about stress or being yelled at. 90% of those in the military should not have passed muster. Gone are the true warriors with iron constitutions, who can create a mental box for war and keep it apart from the rest of their lives. It’s not something you have to like, it is just something you have to do. The enemy is personified, we see CNN stories of how they live and love. we need to depersonify them to kill them without remorse, like squashing a bug. We need to be mechanical and methodical and the war would have been over in a year. Instead we get second guessed by the press, the liberals, and the politically correct. We worry more about pretty uniforms, if we can have gay service members or not, and how the choices made may affect an election. People who plays a video game of war think they know about torture, intelligence, or tactics. Politicians worry about their squeamish constituents rather than the future of this country. War is simply the method to the solution. Don’t like it? Choose another solution. Or don’t watch it being done. People die. Sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. If you can’t compartmentalize it, you need to go raise puppies or something. The death of the enemy is a good thing to a warrior. In WWII they were hung from lamp posts. We no longer have the desire to break their will to fight, which is what is needed to win. we have no more Generals Patton or Eisenhower, no FDR or Truman. The true warriors in the ranks are held back, told to refrain from shooting, be PC, and lots of other BS. I have 30 years in the US Army, I know what I am talking about. Why no one else states the obvious is because they worry about what others may think. I worry about where this country is going, and at this rate what you think won’t matter very soon.

    • Hexrodri December 19, 2011

      Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

      As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

      Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

    • Hexrodri December 19, 2011

      Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

      As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

      Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

    • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

      Our service has a lot of 18 year olds who joined out of patriotism and love for country.  I am sure they would have no problem defending their country.  The problem comes when they are sent to fight a war that has not been declared by Congress, and ordered to fight in a war that only benefits a few.
      The person you describe as needed to fight the war is one sick
      mercenary.   

    • Fred December 30, 2011

      Good arguments, but the fact of the matter is we no longer live in a time where war is good against evil and the lines have become blurred. ‘Why we fight’ was clear in World War II but now in modern times it is necessary to think more about whether or not you should pull the trigger. Robert may not like that soldiers are told to refrain from shooting but we’re not fighting for the freedom of the world anymore and the act of killing someone needs more thought than it did in the past. 462 US soldiers may have died in combat but over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war has begun, and your worrying about the warriors being held back? Times have changed Robert

      • Fred December 30, 2011

        you’re*

      • Guest January 12, 2012

        Honestly, we sent them over there to fight. Whether they should have been sent, is for this point irrelevant. If you tell someone to do something, don’t be pissed off when its done. I could care less about the civilians that have been killed. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. When you cant tell the difference between a civilian and a suicide bomber, then you shoot the civilians. I have problems with people blaming the individual soldiers for the civilian casualties (I am aware you didn’t say anything about that.)  when it is literally life or death for them. You eliminate any and every possible threat. or at least you should.

        • Anonymous May 21, 2012

           I think you might be a possible threat to society. :P Hmmmm… Perhaps we should eliminate all possible threats to everything.

    • The Schneit January 7, 2012

      Im sorry to say this sir, but i am a young thirteen year old boy who can clearly see that what youve just said is a load of bs. As others have already pointed out- WWII is a lot different than our modern day world and making the comparison makes you sound plain stupid. In world war two, soldiers knew that all of their efforts were for the best reasons possible- survival and freedom. On the other hand, soldiers nowadays dont even know what theyre fighting for and are fighting purely for patrioism. Doing things so courageous and brave is no easy thing in the first place, but having to do it when youre not sure if youre right or wrong is extremely stressful. Mix that in with the trauma of warfare and watching your loved ones die is unbearable. The fact that you say that people who cant forget about killing someone should go raise puppies is quite disturbing and shameful for you. If you truly have spent 30 years in the army(im not convinced) than i assure you that you have not forgotten the men youve had to kill and the friends youve had to watch die ( if you have than i believe it is fair to say that you are a pyscho)

      In the end, instead of sounding like a respectable man from the military doing whats right for his country you sound more like a scared soldier trying to play the tough guy act 

      To soldiers thinking about suicide
       From my perspective I believe that suicide is never ever the answer but rather perseverance through whatever your problem may be. Just think if you had a son and he had a problem, would you want him to kill himself? And just remember America supports you and knows the amazing things you have done we are eternally grateful

      • Jeff January 10, 2012

        Kid, I respect you’re opinion but honestly, what the hell would you know about any of it? George Bush (and to a lesser extent Tony Blair) started this war under the guise of eliminating WMD’s and freeing the Iraqi people from an oppressive regime. They didn’t fight purely for the hell of it nor primarily out of patriotism. The men and women who went abroad saw a genuine threat to (relatively) peaceful western existence and sought to eliminate it and at the same time spread democracy and what not, which I’d say are pretty good reasons.

        Secondly, right and wrong matters little when you’re in the thick of it. Out in the field it’s sometimes kill or be killed. Sometimes people have to do horrible things just to make it out alive. I’ve heard some real horror stories about WWII battles and the present is no different in that regard. War is bloody, and people who can’t handle all the death and carnage shouldn’t be in the army.

        The way I see it, western society has been over-feminized the past few decades as a result of all the various rights groups over the years. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in equal rights for gays, blacks, women (etc.). People nowadays want everything to be nice and cushy, with all sorts of new regulations prohibiting this and that (new anti-bullying laws for example) and inevitably people get lulled into this false sense of safety and security and experience a culture shock when they’re forced into something as harsh and unforgiving and terrible as war. People  have changed, but war…

        War never changes.

        • dearone January 11, 2012

          seriously? if our people in the white house gave a shit about helping “free” a people then they’d be helping africa.. are you lying on purpose or do you also lie to yourself? :(

          • Guest (same as above) January 12, 2012

            What the people in the white house actually think was irrelevant to his point. The reasons given for going to war were freedom and destruction of WMD. And, as I recall anyway, there was pretty much no one who doubted it at the start of the war. 

          • Osmany Herrera February 15, 2012

            Except the Germans.
            The Irony of a full circle comparison from the WW’s to these conflicts.

          • Asdfasdf March 11, 2012

            Many doubted it, it’s just that as the USA is such a military (though no longer economic) powerhouse, many western nations were too scared not to join their allies.

          • Guest January 21, 2012

            Just so you do know.  We DO ave military in Africa helping out there.  Do your research.

          • Falli February 27, 2012

            Well, just keep in mind that 51% of the Nation’s taxes go towards war whereas less than 3% goes towards maintaining peace. Now why is that? American leaders know that they can achieve peace on this Earth however the problem is that they are too greedy. They want all the World resources for themselves and that is why war continues. Just search to see where wars have been happening and see if there is anything that might keep America there-such as oil, water, or other natural resources. Also, look at where all of the American bases are set up around the world. I dont think youll see any in Africa. Do the research and accept the facts. You will not benefit from lying to yourself, rather you will only see yourself losing your rights as a citizen. That is because Americans that work behind the senes want to continue to do what they are doing, and in order to do so, they must strip the rights of their citizens. Recently, US Congress has passed a bill for internet censorship, restrictions on the right to vote, and for the first time ever, they have made it permissable for the US government to imprision someone without trial. What is their excuse for these actions? “For the protection of the American citizens”. And people fall for it. Dont be one of them! 

          • Falli February 27, 2012

            Well, just keep in mind that 51% of the Nation’s taxes go towards war whereas less than 3% goes towards maintaining peace. Now why is that? American leaders know that they can achieve peace on this Earth however the problem is that they are too greedy. They want all the World resources for themselves and that is why war continues. Just search to see where wars have been happening and see if there is anything that might keep America there-such as oil, water, or other natural resources. Also, look at where all of the American bases are set up around the world. I dont think youll see any in Africa. Do the research and accept the facts. You will not benefit from lying to yourself, rather you will only see yourself losing your rights as a citizen. That is because Americans that work behind the senes want to continue to do what they are doing, and in order to do so, they must strip the rights of their citizens. Recently, US Congress has passed a bill for internet censorship, restrictions on the right to vote, and for the first time ever, they have made it permissable for the US government to imprision someone without trial. What is their excuse for these actions? “For the protection of the American citizens”. And people fall for it. Dont be one of them! 

        • Donna February 13, 2012

          Please. The bravest people in a war zone are the women and kids trying to survive as both sides, full of ego and delusions, fling explosives right where the families have to go for water.

          • Mike May 28, 2012

            Fixed:

            ” The bravest people in a war zone are the men, women and kids trying to survive as both sides”.

        • Anonymous May 28, 2012

          As most people know, we started this war back in 1953.  Bush did not start this war so you need to get your facts straight.  We are in 190 countries for what??  Promoting democracy when we dont even have it here, trying to free people when everyday the government is writing laws and going against the constitution.  The british came to us in the 50’s asking for help with Iran because for the past 50 years the british were stealing Iran’s oil supply.  So the American government sent the cia to over throw the newly elected Iran president because he took back what the Iranians owned.  This new Iranian government was pushing for a white modern society in a country that was 90 percent islam.  So the Iranian pres that was over threw in 1953 was in jail for 14 years, he was teaching the people of Iran about what the us did.  This made them HATE Americans.   So we put Saddam in power because saddam hated Iran.  America supplied Iraq with intelligence and information to help Iraq.  We KNEW that they were using chemical weapons against Iran but didnt do anything.  Reagan went though Israel to supply Iran with weapons since we were playing both sides of the isle.  On one side we were helping Iran, and on the other we were helping Iraq because we didnt wont either of them getting the oil.  After we saw that Iraq was about to evade kuwait America then stationed troops in Saudia because we were worried that Saddam was going to take over the largest oil reserve in the world.  This made bin laden pissed.  he stated “I resent the government of Sadia for letting American’s station in Sadia.  So now it was time for America to make a move to over throw Saddam.  So what do we do?  Fool American’s in thinking they did 911 because we were free and prosperous.  

            All of this fighting for my country bullshit is a load of crap.  I have much respect for our army me and women but for someone that has been there for 30 years and doesnt even know the facts, has issues.   WE are the reason people hate us in the world.  What if a super power came to america uninvited with out a declaration of war to steal our oil? And overthrow our government.  Not to mention, install islamic law in a country that is 90 percent christian. 

          I have respect for that 13 year old boy for know that much.  Give me hops about my country.

        • Anna December 22, 2012

          give it up, the kid is right you sound scared and really if after 30 years in the military, if you think war hasn’t changed, you really are a fool or a sad liar!

      • Hrobyn - until we have answers January 13, 2012

        we should send you to washington

      • guest January 21, 2012

        You are not 13.

      • guest January 21, 2012

        You are not 13.

      • Brock February 6, 2012

        Your arrogance blinds your thoughts man Suicide may be the awnser to some, those whi cant escape the ravishing downfall of murder. This “war on Iraq ” is nothing but a scheme or ploy by the government to gain. Ljfes meaning is miney nd for the men who shoot to kill,speak to educate, and listen to
        understand. Thise are the warriors, not a guy who joins the army or other armed services to fight forwhat, freedom? What freedom. I see lies and xicer ups. Thats why these men kill themselves and its for that that i will never again salute the flag, sing the national anthem, or believe in government. There is no such thing as freedom, only blurred control.

      • Todd May 14, 2012

        if you’re 13, there IS hope, because my generation is too stupid to realize everything you just said is so true.  Keep learning, the world is going to need you. Read Chomsky.

      • Surfexplorer13 May 28, 2012

        I believe your 13 as much as I believe obama’s a great president.. Not at all.

      • Seamanstorm August 16, 2012

        I have never been to war. I am 46 and graduated from Army Academy and I left the army after having been a pro soldier for only more than a year.

        I am someone who evolved more than I had ever wished for and more than most of human beings would ever dream of. According to Gallup poll (1996) only 4% of American population come to the 5th level (fulcrum) – out of 10 – of consciousness development. 

        (Look up Ken Wilber) In other words.. It is too complex thing to put it in short words how bad it is. Genetic manipulation, human role in complex socio-technical systems, codex alimentarius, Terrence McKenna, DMT, … C. Castaneda. You remember.. this world was created in first place for artificial life, for programs not for Real Beings. Another mind boggling simulation scenario not easy  to comprehend right? Dr. Rick Strassman Spirit Molecule – Look it up DMT on You Tube. What do you all think those Architects do on the other side of the mirror? Think. And Think Again. The Sims game. Exorcisms.Last year the Vatican received over half a million reports of demonic possession (The Times).MKUltra is also well known term for mind hacking experiments. This playground is a real Zoo farm.I admire The Schneit, 
        ScrewUncleSam and all folks thinking the same.  Why soldiers commit suicides? 5 Reasons:
        1. Real Beings (lets say humans) have empathy (something more than mirroring neurons) ergo whatever wrong they do eventually they do for themselves and in the end the Moment they Wake Up.. they fall. = False Identity Architecture
        2. Programs (NPCs – wiki call them non-player characters) only executive beings emulating even empathy.. or even .. love.. whatever they do wrong their actions are terminated by the system or themselves in two cases:
        – looping (far too many contradictory instructions
        – freezing (psychosis, personality disorder, MPD, schizophrenia and so on…) fragmentation and lack of continuum (trauma) = False Representation Architecture.
        3. Real Beings control entrapped by the system. Outcasts, artists, philosophers, philanthropic system thinkers, hackers, misled missionaries, Utopian Anarchists, Believers, Christians, everyone whose life was redesigned, restyled towards a.. caricature. Conformism. = False Emulated Identity Architecture.
        4. Programs (NPCs)  with Real Beings Architecture Overwritten. It happens all the time. System based on Artificial Intelligence learns by interacting with Real Beings. That is why most Real Beings although not many in numbers nowadays – are born in mixed families parents (Bot and Real Being .. or human-like bot). Or bots being born in Human-like families or Real Beings couples = False Emulated Representation Architecture (similar to no. 1) .. Well, they have some remorse. self-reproach.
        5. Real Beings (on a very early stage of mind development), Programs (NPCs, shells, all kind of beings can be hacked and played either by Architects from outside (upper reality), from different simulation, another dimension as some say, or by system controllers inside this simulation using sophisticated technology. (by implementing ideas directly to beings’ minds) Have you ever heard about technology that enables playback bounced human voice  against a rock week after?
        Anyway .. result of no5 is .. Reverse Engineered Re-Impersonalization. Father ‘stabbed his children 29 times before killing wife and three others because his marriage was falling apart’ _______________________________CONCLUSION:Open Your Eyes.. Right now you have your Eyes Wide Shut…..Regards,Seaman Storm 

      • Em March 29, 2013

        Why are you grateful?For us soldiers MURDERING iraqi/ afghani children , often l COWARDLY with drones?So America can steal their oil>Are you grateful for that?Shame on you and everybody who supports soldiers.Please dont even lie and say : we are serving our country, no you cant find a job, you have debts, that is the true reason you go and join the army.Well , I sure hope that paycheck is worth your life ( this goes not for the 13 y.o but the adults here).US soldiers are one of the most hated people on this earth,so many people pray every day to god for their ending ,so many people have hate growing in their hearts for them.Why?Cz they and their supporters are the misschiefmakers

    • Ylaszlo0 January 13, 2012

      You have an incredible way with words. I admire your thoughts and thanks for sharing.

    • Ylaszlo0 January 13, 2012

      You have an incredible way with words. I admire your thoughts and thanks for sharing.

    • That Guy January 18, 2012

      Twat. Brutes like you are the reason society is as stupid as it is.

    • Blackbelt632 January 26, 2012

      I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
      We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
      Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

    • Anonymous February 10, 2012

      Nice

      You can get up geared to kill the enemy. Problem is that you probably killed a lot of non combatants and civilians.

      If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.

      If you think this is OK, then you validate terrorist activity which may kill a US soldier but also kills 30 – 40 US civilians as well. What’s good for the goose. . .

      If you think it is ok to go to their country to kill them, then you validate them coming to your country to kill you. (The correct answer is that both are wrong)

      Or are you a hypocrite?

      Think it through.

      • Anonymous February 10, 2012

        Assad’s own gunmen murdered three entire families in Homs which included children. 

        The families were shot dead in their homes by members of a pro-regime militia,known as the Shabiha, which has been blamed for numerous atrocities since the conflict began 11 months ago.

        The Shabiha are an irregular militia recruited largely from the minority Alawite sect of Mr Assad. They display picture of the president on their vehicles and have been used to terrorise the regime’s opponents. 

        If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.
        Or are you a hypocrite?

        Think it through.Do some basic research. Find out the truth.

        • greenspider March 25, 2012

           Strawman arguement crisco.
          The Saud’s are murdering THEIR own people.

          Let’s hear you talk about that.

    • JP February 22, 2012

       Thank you for a perspective I have always suspected was true.   We have certain assumptions about enlisted men and women and those are just  that: assumptions.

      • Jakegschn0826 February 25, 2012

        JP you are a seriously sick person to degrade and insult enlisted men that risk their lives for you. The only reason you say things like this is to make yourself feel better about letting men die while they fight for one main purpose, the United States of America and its inhabitants. Go USA!

    • Spartacus Jones May 28, 2012

       “True warriors?
      Iron will?
      What a crock!

      When did these “true warriors” ever get “held back?”  THIS is being “held back?” Jesus.  What do you want to do, nuke the whole planet?

      You don’t seem to get it, Pal. War isn’t just a license to murder — at least it ought not to be, and the law of land warfare spells out the boundaries. Frankly, the kind of macho bullshit you’re spewing is typical of someone who either a) has never seen any combat (what was your MOS? Pastry Chef??) , or b) has no moral compass to start with. The typical psychopath would heartily agree with you. No decent human being would,
      And it’s possible to be both a “warrior,” when a warrior is needed, AND a decent human being at the same time.  And THAT means you kill when you HAVE to, and only when you have to — and that’s combatants ONLY. And no torture. No rape.
      That’s what we mean by serving with honor.
      Probably that’s too sissified for a he-man like you. eh?

      sj

  • aorobert December 17, 2011

    My 2 cents… while I was deployed I saw a lot of whiny brats who flashed gang signs and live for facebook. Drill sergeants today have a rough road molly coddling the kids who complain about stress or being yelled at. 90% of those in the military should not have passed muster. Gone are the true warriors with iron constitutions, who can create a mental box for war and keep it apart from the rest of their lives. It’s not something you have to like, it is just something you have to do. The enemy is personified, we see CNN stories of how they live and love. we need to depersonify them to kill them without remorse, like squashing a bug. We need to be mechanical and methodical and the war would have been over in a year. Instead we get second guessed by the press, the liberals, and the politically correct. We worry more about pretty uniforms, if we can have gay service members or not, and how the choices made may affect an election. People who plays a video game of war think they know about torture, intelligence, or tactics. Politicians worry about their squeamish constituents rather than the future of this country. War is simply the method to the solution. Don’t like it? Choose another solution. Or don’t watch it being done. People die. Sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. If you can’t compartmentalize it, you need to go raise puppies or something. The death of the enemy is a good thing to a warrior. In WWII they were hung from lamp posts. We no longer have the desire to break their will to fight, which is what is needed to win. we have no more Generals Patton or Eisenhower, no FDR or Truman. The true warriors in the ranks are held back, told to refrain from shooting, be PC, and lots of other BS. I have 30 years in the US Army, I know what I am talking about. Why no one else states the obvious is because they worry about what others may think. I worry about where this country is going, and at this rate what you think won’t matter very soon.

    • Hexrodri December 19, 2011

      Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

      As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

      Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

    • Jaws7 December 27, 2011

      Our service has a lot of 18 year olds who joined out of patriotism and love for country.  I am sure they would have no problem defending their country.  The problem comes when they are sent to fight a war that has not been declared by Congress, and ordered to fight in a war that only benefits a few.
      The person you describe as needed to fight the war is one sick
      mercenary.   

    • Fred December 30, 2011

      Good arguments, but the fact of the matter is we no longer live in a time where war is good against evil and the lines have become blurred. ‘Why we fight’ was clear in World War II but now in modern times it is necessary to think more about whether or not you should pull the trigger. Robert may not like that soldiers are told to refrain from shooting but we’re not fighting for the freedom of the world anymore and the act of killing someone needs more thought than it did in the past. 462 US soldiers may have died in combat but over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war has begun, and your worrying about the warriors being held back? Times have changed Robert

      • Fred December 30, 2011

        you’re*

      • Guest January 12, 2012

        Honestly, we sent them over there to fight. Whether they should have been sent, is for this point irrelevant. If you tell someone to do something, don’t be pissed off when its done. I could care less about the civilians that have been killed. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. When you cant tell the difference between a civilian and a suicide bomber, then you shoot the civilians. I have problems with people blaming the individual soldiers for the civilian casualties (I am aware you didn’t say anything about that.)  when it is literally life or death for them. You eliminate any and every possible threat. or at least you should.

        • MyNameIsAlsoIrrelevant May 21, 2012

           I think you might be a possible threat to society. :P Hmmmm… Perhaps we should eliminate all possible threats to everything.

    • The Schneit January 7, 2012

      Im sorry to say this sir, but i am a young thirteen year old boy who can clearly see that what youve just said is a load of bs. As others have already pointed out- WWII is a lot different than our modern day world and making the comparison makes you sound plain stupid. In world war two, soldiers knew that all of their efforts were for the best reasons possible- survival and freedom. On the other hand, soldiers nowadays dont even know what theyre fighting for and are fighting purely for patrioism. Doing things so courageous and brave is no easy thing in the first place, but having to do it when youre not sure if youre right or wrong is extremely stressful. Mix that in with the trauma of warfare and watching your loved ones die is unbearable. The fact that you say that people who cant forget about killing someone should go raise puppies is quite disturbing and shameful for you. If you truly have spent 30 years in the army(im not convinced) than i assure you that you have not forgotten the men youve had to kill and the friends youve had to watch die ( if you have than i believe it is fair to say that you are a pyscho)

      In the end, instead of sounding like a respectable man from the military doing whats right for his country you sound more like a scared soldier trying to play the tough guy act 

      To soldiers thinking about suicide
       From my perspective I believe that suicide is never ever the answer but rather perseverance through whatever your problem may be. Just think if you had a son and he had a problem, would you want him to kill himself? And just remember America supports you and knows the amazing things you have done we are eternally grateful

      • Jeff January 10, 2012

        Kid, I respect you’re opinion but honestly, what the hell would you know about any of it? George Bush (and to a lesser extent Tony Blair) started this war under the guise of eliminating WMD’s and freeing the Iraqi people from an oppressive regime. They didn’t fight purely for the hell of it nor primarily out of patriotism. The men and women who went abroad saw a genuine threat to (relatively) peaceful western existence and sought to eliminate it and at the same time spread democracy and what not, which I’d say are pretty good reasons.

        Secondly, right and wrong matters little when you’re in the thick of it. Out in the field it’s sometimes kill or be killed. Sometimes people have to do horrible things just to make it out alive. I’ve heard some real horror stories about WWII battles and the present is no different in that regard. War is bloody, and people who can’t handle all the death and carnage shouldn’t be in the army.

        The way I see it, western society has been over-feminized the past few decades as a result of all the various rights groups over the years. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in equal rights for gays, blacks, women (etc.). People nowadays want everything to be nice and cushy, with all sorts of new regulations prohibiting this and that (new anti-bullying laws for example) and inevitably people get lulled into this false sense of safety and security and experience a culture shock when they’re forced into something as harsh and unforgiving and terrible as war. People  have changed, but war…

        War never changes.

        • dearone January 11, 2012

          seriously? if our people in the white house gave a shit about helping “free” a people then they’d be helping africa.. are you lying on purpose or do you also lie to yourself? :(

          • Guest (same as above) January 12, 2012

            What the people in the white house actually think was irrelevant to his point. The reasons given for going to war were freedom and destruction of WMD. And, as I recall anyway, there was pretty much no one who doubted it at the start of the war. 

          • Osmany Herrera February 15, 2012

            Except the Germans.
            The Irony of a full circle comparison from the WW’s to these conflicts.

          • Asdfasdf March 11, 2012

            Many doubted it, it’s just that as the USA is such a military (though no longer economic) powerhouse, many western nations were too scared not to join their allies.

          • Guest January 21, 2012

            Just so you do know.  We DO ave military in Africa helping out there.  Do your research.

          • Falli February 27, 2012

            Well, just keep in mind that 51% of the Nation’s taxes go towards war whereas less than 3% goes towards maintaining peace. Now why is that? American leaders know that they can achieve peace on this Earth however the problem is that they are too greedy. They want all the World resources for themselves and that is why war continues. Just search to see where wars have been happening and see if there is anything that might keep America there-such as oil, water, or other natural resources. Also, look at where all of the American bases are set up around the world. I dont think youll see any in Africa. Do the research and accept the facts. You will not benefit from lying to yourself, rather you will only see yourself losing your rights as a citizen. That is because Americans that work behind the senes want to continue to do what they are doing, and in order to do so, they must strip the rights of their citizens. Recently, US Congress has passed a bill for internet censorship, restrictions on the right to vote, and for the first time ever, they have made it permissable for the US government to imprision someone without trial. What is their excuse for these actions? “For the protection of the American citizens”. And people fall for it. Dont be one of them! 

        • Donna February 13, 2012

          Please. The bravest people in a war zone are the women and kids trying to survive as both sides, full of ego and delusions, fling explosives right where the families have to go for water.

          • Mike May 28, 2012

            Fixed:

            ” The bravest people in a war zone are the men, women and kids trying to survive as both sides”.

        • ScrewUncleSam May 28, 2012

          As most people know, we started this war back in 1953.  Bush did not start this war so you need to get your facts straight.  We are in 190 countries for what??  Promoting democracy when we dont even have it here, trying to free people when everyday the government is writing laws and going against the constitution.  The british came to us in the 50’s asking for help with Iran because for the past 50 years the british were stealing Iran’s oil supply.  So the American government sent the cia to over throw the newly elected Iran president because he took back what the Iranians owned.  This new Iranian government was pushing for a white modern society in a country that was 90 percent islam.  So the Iranian pres that was over threw in 1953 was in jail for 14 years, he was teaching the people of Iran about what the us did.  This made them HATE Americans.   So we put Saddam in power because saddam hated Iran.  America supplied Iraq with intelligence and information to help Iraq.  We KNEW that they were using chemical weapons against Iran but didnt do anything.  Reagan went though Israel to supply Iran with weapons since we were playing both sides of the isle.  On one side we were helping Iran, and on the other we were helping Iraq because we didnt wont either of them getting the oil.  After we saw that Iraq was about to evade kuwait America then stationed troops in Saudia because we were worried that Saddam was going to take over the largest oil reserve in the world.  This made bin laden pissed.  he stated “I resent the government of Sadia for letting American’s station in Sadia.  So now it was time for America to make a move to over throw Saddam.  So what do we do?  Fool American’s in thinking they did 911 because we were free and prosperous.  

            All of this fighting for my country bullshit is a load of crap.  I have much respect for our army me and women but for someone that has been there for 30 years and doesnt even know the facts, has issues.   WE are the reason people hate us in the world.  What if a super power came to america uninvited with out a declaration of war to steal our oil? And overthrow our government.  Not to mention, install islamic law in a country that is 90 percent christian. 

          I have respect for that 13 year old boy for know that much.  Give me hops about my country.

        • Anna December 22, 2012

          give it up, the kid is right you sound scared and really if after 30 years in the military, if you think war hasn’t changed, you really are a fool or a sad liar!

      • Hrobyn - until we have answers January 13, 2012

        we should send you to washington

      • guest January 21, 2012

        You are not 13.

      • Brock February 6, 2012

        Your arrogance blinds your thoughts man Suicide may be the awnser to some, those whi cant escape the ravishing downfall of murder. This “war on Iraq ” is nothing but a scheme or ploy by the government to gain. Ljfes meaning is miney nd for the men who shoot to kill,speak to educate, and listen to
        understand. Thise are the warriors, not a guy who joins the army or other armed services to fight forwhat, freedom? What freedom. I see lies and xicer ups. Thats why these men kill themselves and its for that that i will never again salute the flag, sing the national anthem, or believe in government. There is no such thing as freedom, only blurred control.

      • Todd May 14, 2012

        if you’re 13, there IS hope, because my generation is too stupid to realize everything you just said is so true.  Keep learning, the world is going to need you. Read Chomsky.

      • Surfexplorer13 May 28, 2012

        I believe your 13 as much as I believe obama’s a great president.. Not at all.

      • Seamanstorm August 16, 2012

        I have never been to war. I am 46 and graduated from Army Academy and I left the army after having been a pro soldier for only more than a year.

        I am someone who evolved more than I had ever wished for and more than most of human beings would ever dream of. According to Gallup poll (1996) only 4% of American population come to the 5th level (fulcrum) – out of 10 – of consciousness development. 

        (Look up Ken Wilber) In other words.. It is too complex thing to put it in short words how bad it is. Genetic manipulation, human role in complex socio-technical systems, codex alimentarius, Terrence McKenna, DMT, … C. Castaneda. You remember.. this world was created in first place for artificial life, for programs not for Real Beings. Another mind boggling simulation scenario not easy  to comprehend right? Dr. Rick Strassman Spirit Molecule – Look it up DMT on You Tube. What do you all think those Architects do on the other side of the mirror? Think. And Think Again. The Sims game. Exorcisms.Last year the Vatican received over half a million reports of demonic possession (The Times).MKUltra is also well known term for mind hacking experiments. This playground is a real Zoo farm.I admire The Schneit, 
        ScrewUncleSam and all folks thinking the same.  Why soldiers commit suicides? 5 Reasons:
        1. Real Beings (lets say humans) have empathy (something more than mirroring neurons) ergo whatever wrong they do eventually they do for themselves and in the end the Moment they Wake Up.. they fall. = False Identity Architecture
        2. Programs (NPCs – wiki call them non-player characters) only executive beings emulating even empathy.. or even .. love.. whatever they do wrong their actions are terminated by the system or themselves in two cases:
        – looping (far too many contradictory instructions
        – freezing (psychosis, personality disorder, MPD, schizophrenia and so on…) fragmentation and lack of continuum (trauma) = False Representation Architecture.
        3. Real Beings control entrapped by the system. Outcasts, artists, philosophers, philanthropic system thinkers, hackers, misled missionaries, Utopian Anarchists, Believers, Christians, everyone whose life was redesigned, restyled towards a.. caricature. Conformism. = False Emulated Identity Architecture.
        4. Programs (NPCs)  with Real Beings Architecture Overwritten. It happens all the time. System based on Artificial Intelligence learns by interacting with Real Beings. That is why most Real Beings although not many in numbers nowadays – are born in mixed families parents (Bot and Real Being .. or human-like bot). Or bots being born in Human-like families or Real Beings couples = False Emulated Representation Architecture (similar to no. 1) .. Well, they have some remorse. self-reproach.
        5. Real Beings (on a very early stage of mind development), Programs (NPCs, shells, all kind of beings can be hacked and played either by Architects from outside (upper reality), from different simulation, another dimension as some say, or by system controllers inside this simulation using sophisticated technology. (by implementing ideas directly to beings’ minds) Have you ever heard about technology that enables playback bounced human voice  against a rock week after?
        Anyway .. result of no5 is .. Reverse Engineered Re-Impersonalization. Father ‘stabbed his children 29 times before killing wife and three others because his marriage was falling apart’ _______________________________CONCLUSION:Open Your Eyes.. Right now you have your Eyes Wide Shut…..Regards,Seaman Storm 

      • Em March 29, 2013

        Why are you grateful?For us soldiers MURDERING iraqi/ afghani children , often l COWARDLY with drones?So America can steal their oil>Are you grateful for that?Shame on you and everybody who supports soldiers.Please dont even lie and say : we are serving our country, no you cant find a job, you have debts, that is the true reason you go and join the army.Well , I sure hope that paycheck is worth your life ( this goes not for the 13 y.o but the adults here).US soldiers are one of the most hated people on this earth,so many people pray every day to god for their ending ,so many people have hate growing in their hearts for them.Why?Cz they and their supporters are the misschiefmakers

    • Ylaszlo0 January 13, 2012

      You have an incredible way with words. I admire your thoughts and thanks for sharing.

    • That Guy January 18, 2012

      Twat. Brutes like you are the reason society is as stupid as it is.

    • Blackbelt632 January 26, 2012

      I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
      We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
      Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

    • nils11nz February 10, 2012

      Nice

      You can get up geared to kill the enemy. Problem is that you probably killed a lot of non combatants and civilians.

      If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.

      If you think this is OK, then you validate terrorist activity which may kill a US soldier but also kills 30 – 40 US civilians as well. What’s good for the goose. . .

      If you think it is ok to go to their country to kill them, then you validate them coming to your country to kill you. (The correct answer is that both are wrong)

      Or are you a hypocrite?

      Think it through.

      • Chrispro February 10, 2012

        Assad’s own gunmen murdered three entire families in Homs which included children. 

        The families were shot dead in their homes by members of a pro-regime militia,known as the Shabiha, which has been blamed for numerous atrocities since the conflict began 11 months ago.

        The Shabiha are an irregular militia recruited largely from the minority Alawite sect of Mr Assad. They display picture of the president on their vehicles and have been used to terrorise the regime’s opponents. 

        If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.
        Or are you a hypocrite?

        Think it through.Do some basic research. Find out the truth.

        • greenspider March 25, 2012

           Strawman arguement crisco.
          The Saud’s are murdering THEIR own people.

          Let’s hear you talk about that.

    • John February 22, 2012

       Thank you for a perspective I have always suspected was true.   We have certain assumptions about enlisted men and women and those are just  that: assumptions.

      • Jakegschn0826 February 25, 2012

        JP you are a seriously sick person to degrade and insult enlisted men that risk their lives for you. The only reason you say things like this is to make yourself feel better about letting men die while they fight for one main purpose, the United States of America and its inhabitants. Go USA!

    • Spartacus Jones May 28, 2012

       “True warriors?
      Iron will?
      What a crock!

      When did these “true warriors” ever get “held back?”  THIS is being “held back?” Jesus.  What do you want to do, nuke the whole planet?

      You don’t seem to get it, Pal. War isn’t just a license to murder — at least it ought not to be, and the law of land warfare spells out the boundaries. Frankly, the kind of macho bullshit you’re spewing is typical of someone who either a) has never seen any combat (what was your MOS? Pastry Chef??) , or b) has no moral compass to start with. The typical psychopath would heartily agree with you. No decent human being would,
      And it’s possible to be both a “warrior,” when a warrior is needed, AND a decent human being at the same time.  And THAT means you kill when you HAVE to, and only when you have to — and that’s combatants ONLY. And no torture. No rape.
      That’s what we mean by serving with honor.
      Probably that’s too sissified for a he-man like you. eh?

      sj

  • Janine Zimardo December 18, 2011

    SSRI’s (anti-depressants) cause suicidal and homicidal mania.

  • Zimfara Janus December 18, 2011

    SSRI’s (anti-depressants) cause suicidal and homicidal mania.

  • Sloane December 30, 2011

    OK first of all, why is it that the drinking age in both Canada (19) and the U.S (21) which are both over 18 and yet the legal age to join the armed forces for both is 18. How is it that we think 18 year old’s are not mature enough to drink a beer yet they are old enough to risk their lives, and mature enough to hold a gun in their hand. seriously? why are we allowing  our youth to be sent over their or any people, why don’t we send the old white fascist asshole up in Parliament over there to accomplish their own mission, Which is basically to rape the middle east of their resources and gain more wealth and power. and to any one who says that these soldiers are heroes risking their lives for their countries, well they are not. A hero does not blatantly do what ever they are told because the orders came from some old white (or black, now) man, . Killing and murdering innocent women, men and children does not make you a hero, and most of the casualties are civilians.  

    also i would just like to take a minute to point out that Obama is worse even than Bush (and no that doesn’t make me a racist)- during bushes presidency he was issuing 4 drone attack a month, Obama is issuing 40 a month, do the math that’s 10 x as many attacks on innocents  which = Obama is a liar (said he was going to pull your troupes out, instead sent more) and a war criminal and must be brought to justice. Now!

    but hey what do i know i’m only 17  

    • Ralph Reinhold January 3, 2012

      Obama has reduced the total number of sortees flown during his tenure. Raising ‘s portion from 4 to 40 only means that some commanding officer does not have to write about his pilot’s death.

  • Sloane December 30, 2011

    OK first of all, why is it that the drinking age in both Canada (19) and the U.S (21) which are both over 18 and yet the legal age to join the armed forces for both is 18. How is it that we think 18 year old’s are not mature enough to drink a beer yet they are old enough to risk their lives, and mature enough to hold a gun in their hand. seriously? why are we allowing  our youth to be sent over their or any people, why don’t we send the old white fascist asshole up in Parliament over there to accomplish their own mission, Which is basically to rape the middle east of their resources and gain more wealth and power. and to any one who says that these soldiers are heroes risking their lives for their countries, well they are not. A hero does not blatantly do what ever they are told because the orders came from some old white (or black, now) man, . Killing and murdering innocent women, men and children does not make you a hero, and most of the casualties are civilians.  

    also i would just like to take a minute to point out that Obama is worse even than Bush (and no that doesn’t make me a racist)- during bushes presidency he was issuing 4 drone attack a month, Obama is issuing 40 a month, do the math that’s 10 x as many attacks on innocents  which = Obama is a liar (said he was going to pull your troupes out, instead sent more) and a war criminal and must be brought to justice. Now!

    but hey what do i know i’m only 17  

    • Ralph Reinhold January 3, 2012

      Obama has reduced the total number of sortees flown during his tenure. Raising ‘s portion from 4 to 40 only means that some commanding officer does not have to write about his pilot’s death.

  • Bob Marshall December 30, 2011

    It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

  • Bob Marshall December 30, 2011

    It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

  • Bob Marshall December 30, 2011

    It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

  • Alfgalb January 2, 2012

    The basic reason because soldiers kill them self is the Unconscious Death Urge. War it self is U.D.U. All people and, specially the soldiers, have to heal their own U.D,U in order ot avoid to kill them self in someway. All deaths are a suicide. Thinking about!

  • Alfgalb January 2, 2012

    The basic reason because soldiers kill them self is the Unconscious Death Urge. War it self is U.D.U. All people and, specially the soldiers, have to heal their own U.D,U in order ot avoid to kill them self in someway. All deaths are a suicide. Thinking about!

  • Vitaliy Shtym January 2, 2012

    Support our troops, bring them home. Ron Paul 2012

  • Vitaliy Shtym January 2, 2012

    Support our troops, bring them home. Ron Paul 2012

  • Recon327 January 12, 2012

    The wars today are not really fought versus other armies, that’s the problem. We’re supposed to believe there are soldiers or militants armed to the teeth fighting on the other side. There are not. In other wars (many many years ago), there were. Soldiers fought soldiers. Today, even kids are trying to fight back against professionally trained soldiers… why? (And please don’t say they’re been manipulated and it’s not the soldiers fault, don’t insult your intelligence). Every time in human history, when an invading country tries to force its will on to another, people will resist, specially when the cultural differences are significant. So finally, soldiers commit suicide (mostly) because the come to terms with the fact that they’re fighting regular folks, not soldiers, defending what is theirs (land, government, culture, etc.). They do have a reason to fight, it’s a resistance; and there is no real reason to fight them, it’s more of a hunt.

  • Recon327 January 12, 2012

    The wars today are not really fought versus other armies, that’s the problem. We’re supposed to believe there are soldiers or militants armed to the teeth fighting on the other side. There are not. In other wars (many many years ago), there were. Soldiers fought soldiers. Today, even kids are trying to fight back against professionally trained soldiers… why? (And please don’t say they’re been manipulated and it’s not the soldiers fault, don’t insult your intelligence). Every time in human history, when an invading country tries to force its will on to another, people will resist, specially when the cultural differences are significant. So finally, soldiers commit suicide (mostly) because the come to terms with the fact that they’re fighting regular folks, not soldiers, defending what is theirs (land, government, culture, etc.). They do have a reason to fight, it’s a resistance; and there is no real reason to fight them, it’s more of a hunt.

  • Hrobyn January 13, 2012

    my son was shot to death in 1991, there was no facebook then.

  • Hrobyn January 13, 2012

    my son was shot to death in 1991, there was no facebook then.

  • guest January 18, 2012

    Where is the humanity in this conversation? We aren’t talking about insurgents. We’re talking about human beings; men, women and children; fathers, daughters, mothers, wives, sons, uncles, grandfathers. 

    We’re not talking about noble warriors, we’re talking about human beings with a conscience. We’re talking about people who don’t want to kill their brothers and sisters. It’s easy to sit at your computer and pontificate about how THEY should feel. But walk a mile in THEIR shoes. Maybe you’ve experienced warfare and it didn’t affect you but that’s you and they are them.

    No need to call your fellow man out their name because they don’t react in a way that you feel they should.

    Where’s the humanity in this conversation?

  • guest January 18, 2012

    Where is the humanity in this conversation? We aren’t talking about insurgents. We’re talking about human beings; men, women and children; fathers, daughters, mothers, wives, sons, uncles, grandfathers. 

    We’re not talking about noble warriors, we’re talking about human beings with a conscience. We’re talking about people who don’t want to kill their brothers and sisters. It’s easy to sit at your computer and pontificate about how THEY should feel. But walk a mile in THEIR shoes. Maybe you’ve experienced warfare and it didn’t affect you but that’s you and they are them.

    No need to call your fellow man out their name because they don’t react in a way that you feel they should.

    Where’s the humanity in this conversation?

  • No One Special January 19, 2012

    First, it’s an all volunteer military. Second, check the statistics and notice that the relationship between suicides and combat related jobs are grossly mismatched. Finally, the vast majority of military suicides have to deal with personal, family, financial and other similar issues, not direct results of combat.

  • No One Special January 19, 2012

    First, it’s an all volunteer military. Second, check the statistics and notice that the relationship between suicides and combat related jobs are grossly mismatched. Finally, the vast majority of military suicides have to deal with personal, family, financial and other similar issues, not direct results of combat.

  • Hector Rodriguez January 19, 2012

    Instead of arguing back and forth, why don’t we try to find a way to end war!?!? Geez, people! Terrorism is the direct result of US interference in foreign governments. With over 900 military bases in over 150 countries, is it any surprise that some of these countries have a bone to pick with us? The notion that terrorists fights us because they hate that we are free (or so we believe) is delusional at best.

  • Hector Rodriguez January 19, 2012

    Instead of arguing back and forth, why don’t we try to find a way to end war!?!? Geez, people! Terrorism is the direct result of US interference in foreign governments. With over 900 military bases in over 150 countries, is it any surprise that some of these countries have a bone to pick with us? The notion that terrorists fights us because they hate that we are free (or so we believe) is delusional at best.

  • Dakota8511 January 20, 2012

    Marines help there own? Crock of shit. Soon as something happens they throw you out like trash without benefits and won’t allow you to get VA even after 6 years of serving or the make you get out. Yes I said make you. And after 6 years of serving and 3 tours they still don’t give a shit about you. That’s when veterans start committing suicide when everything they have ever known and a certain life style is taking away from them. The transition period means shit. It’s hard to adjust to civilan life after being through 3 tours and being in the marines for 6 years after being bombed over and over and watching friends die. And what recieveing 3 purple hearts at age 25 makes up? No yes it is a great honor but soon as you are no longer worth anything to them they throw you out without caring. It’s hard on the families as well. I just dealt with it even after 2 years of the Father of our 5 month old daughter and my bestfriend since we were 13 years old just committed suicide. The nightmares never go away and the things you see don’t either. The person next to you could see something total different then you and effects them a different way. Yes he was a very proud marine and he wanted that as his career but some of those marines also don’t give a shit about anyone else

  • Dakota8511 January 20, 2012

    Marines help there own? Crock of shit. Soon as something happens they throw you out like trash without benefits and won’t allow you to get VA even after 6 years of serving or the make you get out. Yes I said make you. And after 6 years of serving and 3 tours they still don’t give a shit about you. That’s when veterans start committing suicide when everything they have ever known and a certain life style is taking away from them. The transition period means shit. It’s hard to adjust to civilan life after being through 3 tours and being in the marines for 6 years after being bombed over and over and watching friends die. And what recieveing 3 purple hearts at age 25 makes up? No yes it is a great honor but soon as you are no longer worth anything to them they throw you out without caring. It’s hard on the families as well. I just dealt with it even after 2 years of the Father of our 5 month old daughter and my bestfriend since we were 13 years old just committed suicide. The nightmares never go away and the things you see don’t either. The person next to you could see something total different then you and effects them a different way. Yes he was a very proud marine and he wanted that as his career but some of those marines also don’t give a shit about anyone else

  • Dakota8511 January 20, 2012

    Marines help there own? Crock of shit. Soon as something happens they throw you out like trash without benefits and won’t allow you to get VA even after 6 years of serving or the make you get out. Yes I said make you. And after 6 years of serving and 3 tours they still don’t give a shit about you. That’s when veterans start committing suicide when everything they have ever known and a certain life style is taking away from them. The transition period means shit. It’s hard to adjust to civilan life after being through 3 tours and being in the marines for 6 years after being bombed over and over and watching friends die. And what recieveing 3 purple hearts at age 25 makes up? No yes it is a great honor but soon as you are no longer worth anything to them they throw you out without caring. It’s hard on the families as well. I just dealt with it even after 2 years of the Father of our 5 month old daughter and my bestfriend since we were 13 years old just committed suicide. The nightmares never go away and the things you see don’t either. The person next to you could see something total different then you and effects them a different way. Yes he was a very proud marine and he wanted that as his career but some of those marines also don’t give a shit about anyone else

  • Dakota8511 January 20, 2012

    The things marines or anyone that served has seen or have done can effect them no one will ever truly understand what they have gone through or is going through not even the person who was right next to them. Like I said in my previous statement they could have seen something comPletely different and yes you have to take classes to help prevent and watch for suicidal signs but they are also trained not to let anyone show there weakness and to be mentally cold it’s hard to break habits after doing them for so long and sometimes you can’t everyone has demons but some are worse then anyone could imagin and they don’t talk about it or it’s to painfully real for them to or they just simply can’t.

  • Dakota8511 January 20, 2012

    The things marines or anyone that served has seen or have done can effect them no one will ever truly understand what they have gone through or is going through not even the person who was right next to them. Like I said in my previous statement they could have seen something comPletely different and yes you have to take classes to help prevent and watch for suicidal signs but they are also trained not to let anyone show there weakness and to be mentally cold it’s hard to break habits after doing them for so long and sometimes you can’t everyone has demons but some are worse then anyone could imagin and they don’t talk about it or it’s to painfully real for them to or they just simply can’t.

  • guest. January 22, 2012

    What I don’t understand is why so many civilians say so many things about ‘bringing the troops home’ and shit. Yeah, the war may not be great, but it’s WAR. And honestly, I don’t believe many, if at all any, people enlist with the idea of the military being just like Call of Duty. Unless they have a severe disability, but then how would they pass the asvab anyways?
    I enlisted back in october, and I am fully aware of the possibility to deploy. It didn’t sway my decision at all. I view deployment as a part of military lifestyle.
    I agree completely with Robert McLaughlin. Times have changed and anyone is allowed to enlist now. The protocols have changed. Basic Training is no longer about stripping a person down to their core and rebuilding them as a cold killer. And if you say that is sick and I’m a bad person, wake up. This is how the world is. There is war, and there will probably always be war. So we need people to fight the battles, which means we need people who can kill.
    Am I remorseful of those who have fought and have severe emotional and coping problems? Of course. I don’t want to see anyone who’s fought for our country, and other peoples freedom and well being to suffer. But they had to know what to expect. This is not an age of ignorance. With the tv media and the internet, people hear things. And people can look things up. So people need to stop bitching about how these soldiers were tricked, or had no idea, or have nothing to fight for. And if they don’t really know why they’re killing? They need to think of something to make it worth it.  

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Until you deploy, shut your trap.

  • guest. January 22, 2012

    What I don’t understand is why so many civilians say so many things about ‘bringing the troops home’ and shit. Yeah, the war may not be great, but it’s WAR. And honestly, I don’t believe many, if at all any, people enlist with the idea of the military being just like Call of Duty. Unless they have a severe disability, but then how would they pass the asvab anyways?
    I enlisted back in october, and I am fully aware of the possibility to deploy. It didn’t sway my decision at all. I view deployment as a part of military lifestyle.
    I agree completely with Robert McLaughlin. Times have changed and anyone is allowed to enlist now. The protocols have changed. Basic Training is no longer about stripping a person down to their core and rebuilding them as a cold killer. And if you say that is sick and I’m a bad person, wake up. This is how the world is. There is war, and there will probably always be war. So we need people to fight the battles, which means we need people who can kill.
    Am I remorseful of those who have fought and have severe emotional and coping problems? Of course. I don’t want to see anyone who’s fought for our country, and other peoples freedom and well being to suffer. But they had to know what to expect. This is not an age of ignorance. With the tv media and the internet, people hear things. And people can look things up. So people need to stop bitching about how these soldiers were tricked, or had no idea, or have nothing to fight for. And if they don’t really know why they’re killing? They need to think of something to make it worth it.  

  • guest. January 22, 2012

    What I don’t understand is why so many civilians say so many things about ‘bringing the troops home’ and shit. Yeah, the war may not be great, but it’s WAR. And honestly, I don’t believe many, if at all any, people enlist with the idea of the military being just like Call of Duty. Unless they have a severe disability, but then how would they pass the asvab anyways?
    I enlisted back in october, and I am fully aware of the possibility to deploy. It didn’t sway my decision at all. I view deployment as a part of military lifestyle.
    I agree completely with Robert McLaughlin. Times have changed and anyone is allowed to enlist now. The protocols have changed. Basic Training is no longer about stripping a person down to their core and rebuilding them as a cold killer. And if you say that is sick and I’m a bad person, wake up. This is how the world is. There is war, and there will probably always be war. So we need people to fight the battles, which means we need people who can kill.
    Am I remorseful of those who have fought and have severe emotional and coping problems? Of course. I don’t want to see anyone who’s fought for our country, and other peoples freedom and well being to suffer. But they had to know what to expect. This is not an age of ignorance. With the tv media and the internet, people hear things. And people can look things up. So people need to stop bitching about how these soldiers were tricked, or had no idea, or have nothing to fight for. And if they don’t really know why they’re killing? They need to think of something to make it worth it.  

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Until you deploy, shut your trap.

  • Paul Panza January 22, 2012

    Business as usual “The Only Good Soldier Is A Dead One” the motto of the military industrial complex.

  • Paul Panza January 22, 2012

    Business as usual “The Only Good Soldier Is A Dead One” the motto of the military industrial complex.

  • Avatar Odin January 23, 2012

    it’s not just about watching people die but how people die. hospital personnel see a lot more people die but commonly have no ill effects like depression and ideations of suicide.

    probably it’s warshock, the fear of dying itself. the thought of dying for the sake of what? why waste a life over some political idea? it’s the thought of dying brutally and forgotten while half the globe over people are drinking wine to their heart’s content.

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Killing other people is a pretty tough thing to handle…especially since those who do a lot of it will almost certainly kill an innocent or multiple innocents in their service. Those are the worst to overcome…the ones who didn’t deserve to die. It’s tough dealing with that kind of guilt. I know a lot of guys who abuse alcohol and drugs and also who are in deep depression and have anxiety issues. It’s part of the service that most don’t know about.

  • Avatar Odin January 23, 2012

    it’s not just about watching people die but how people die. hospital personnel see a lot more people die but commonly have no ill effects like depression and ideations of suicide.

    probably it’s warshock, the fear of dying itself. the thought of dying for the sake of what? why waste a life over some political idea? it’s the thought of dying brutally and forgotten while half the globe over people are drinking wine to their heart’s content.

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Killing other people is a pretty tough thing to handle…especially since those who do a lot of it will almost certainly kill an innocent or multiple innocents in their service. Those are the worst to overcome…the ones who didn’t deserve to die. It’s tough dealing with that kind of guilt. I know a lot of guys who abuse alcohol and drugs and also who are in deep depression and have anxiety issues. It’s part of the service that most don’t know about.

  • GUEST January 26, 2012

    In reply to Robert McLaughlin:

    I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
    We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
    Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

    • Iraq Vet April 3, 2012

       Relax dude. We don’t talk truth until we’re civvies… then we can take up ridiculous conspiracy theories, and talk tough bs about conflicts we’ve neither properly researched nor ever experienced first-hand. Maybe spout some misguided political theories, you know, really fight fear with more fear.  The real non-sense generality bs. The war hawks are after the oil!  The poor want wealth distribution! Kids of my era were tougher! Nineteen people shot Kennedy, and then blew up the world trade center. Personally, I plan to go to a VFW with Vietnam Vets so we can drink beers, eat brats, and call each other pusses for hours on end. Maybe they’ll make brownies. Then we can talk truth, and you’re already quite aware of what that is…

  • GUEST January 26, 2012

    In reply to Robert McLaughlin:

    I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
    We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
    Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

    • Iraq Vet April 3, 2012

       Relax dude. We don’t talk truth until we’re civvies… then we can take up ridiculous conspiracy theories, and talk tough bs about conflicts we’ve neither properly researched nor ever experienced first-hand. Maybe spout some misguided political theories, you know, really fight fear with more fear.  The real non-sense generality bs. The war hawks are after the oil!  The poor want wealth distribution! Kids of my era were tougher! Nineteen people shot Kennedy, and then blew up the world trade center. Personally, I plan to go to a VFW with Vietnam Vets so we can drink beers, eat brats, and call each other pusses for hours on end. Maybe they’ll make brownies. Then we can talk truth, and you’re already quite aware of what that is…

  • Machinists_Mate February 8, 2012

    A lot of people really can’t handle much pressure and stress. I graduated Naval boot camp in August, and there were so many wimpy people in my division who graduated with me. Also, a lot of people only joined for reasons such as $$ or misdirection in life. After joining, they realize their mistake in signing a contract for x years of their life away to a government that is so incredibly corrupt and misguided by pure evil and selfishness. This causes them to feel trapped, because a dishonorable discharge pretty much ends your chances of getting a job, since its hard enough to get a good job with a bachelor’s degree and a clean record. All military deaths are blown out of proportion. Just more worthless media attention to distract us from serious domestic matters.

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Spoken like a real dirtbag who has yet to deploy. You haven’t been in for more than a few months!!! I’m a Soldier who has been in for over 4 years and i’ve deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Stand down seaman!!!

      • Machinists_Mate February 12, 2012

        Petty Officer* This “war” should have been over years ago. Either move quickly and efficiently, or don’t move at all. This war is intentionally being dragged on. I’m not trying to belittle your war efforts, I’m saying that the administration that gives  the orders, could have easily ended this years ago.

  • Anonymous February 8, 2012

    A lot of people really can’t handle much pressure and stress. I graduated Naval boot camp in August, and there were so many wimpy people in my division who graduated with me. Also, a lot of people only joined for reasons such as $$ or misdirection in life. After joining, they realize their mistake in signing a contract for x years of their life away to a government that is so incredibly corrupt and misguided by pure evil and selfishness. This causes them to feel trapped, because a dishonorable discharge pretty much ends your chances of getting a job, since its hard enough to get a good job with a bachelor’s degree and a clean record. All military deaths are blown out of proportion. Just more worthless media attention to distract us from serious domestic matters.

    • Michael February 12, 2012

      Spoken like a real dirtbag who has yet to deploy. You haven’t been in for more than a few months!!! I’m a Soldier who has been in for over 4 years and i’ve deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Stand down seaman!!!

      • Anonymous February 12, 2012

        Petty Officer* This “war” should have been over years ago. Either move quickly and efficiently, or don’t move at all. This war is intentionally being dragged on. I’m not trying to belittle your war efforts, I’m saying that the administration that gives  the orders, could have easily ended this years ago.

  • Nam Vet February 13, 2012

    Eating about 3 brownies a day could help prevent suicide. The victims of war  would be greatly benefited by MMJ.

    • Iraq Vet April 3, 2012

      LOL! Be too tired to commit suicide.

  • Nam Vet February 13, 2012

    Eating about 3 brownies a day could help prevent suicide. The victims of war  would be greatly benefited by MMJ.

    • Iraq Vet April 3, 2012

      LOL! Be too tired to commit suicide.

  • Osmany Herrera February 15, 2012

    I have read through some of these post and for one I am appalled by the lack of information that is received by the American people and the ignorance and indifference that some hold of others.

    A quick synopsis on Iraq, Look into Code Name: CurveBall. He is an Iraqi source who was handed over to the U.S. Government by the Germans. The Germans could not at all verify his information and felt it ridiculous, once the Americans got him they had their reasons to go to war in Iraq; in search of those weapons of mass destruction. 
    It is not because of Saddam’s inhumanities on his own people. That means nothing considering the hundreds of millions of lives lost all over the world outside of these two conflict zones since the war began.

    Oh CAVEAT! Don’t believe fine, don’t take it from the guy who was Military Intelligence in the US Army with deployments to these combat zones. You’re probably right I am not a credible source of information on this.
    ——————————————————————————–
    With that said I think I can move along now and talk about suicide rates in the military.

    For one, to insinuate that these American’s are weak or anything less of the soldiers who fault in conventional battlefields is completely idiotic. 

    These wars are decades apart and have much more history when you look into the intelligence history behind the involved nations not just in Iraq but in Afghanistan as well. 

    This isn’t a war where you can be completely committed to basic animalistic instincts. I’ll explain. In a conventional war you know who your enemy is. Sure they hide through the use of cover and concealment but not through the ploy of hiding amongst innocent civilians. What this does to the psyche is completely different in both situations. So Comparing the soldiers (tools) needed to fight this war in comparison to the past are needed to be completely different!

    Additionally I’d like to address one big problem with this war. Can you see the young 5 year old kid you spoke to yesterday who was happy with the Americans who is now strung up on a stake burnt to ashes? Probably not. What about the young 13 year old kids whose brains and head are mushroomed out? No probably not. Oh how about the young 6 year old who can not be identified because all that is left is the burnt aches and amber of flames burning under the skin to a completely hollowed life and blackened visage. Yes that was cause by IED set by insurgents.  
    Where am I going with this? The fact that on average most Americans come to see this happen to children, Which can in comparison give you chills if it was your own son and you knew of the guise for this war.

    If you have any questions feel free I will be happy to provide sources to these issues.

    These men and women carry up to 4 times as much weight as those in previous wars and volunteered not drafted for this.
    To address them as cowardice and non-soldier like is a complete insult on them their families, this country, and all it stands for.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for such comments especially if you, yourself at one point swore to defend the constitution of the United States.

    • Winston Smith March 28, 2012

       anyone who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution was obligated (literally you are not allowed to follow and illegal or immoral order) to refuse to deploying in either of these manufactured, illegal, and immoral wars. See Ehren Watada for what a proper soldier should be.

      You’re reasoning is the clueless result of years of brainwashing and indoctrination. Study a little history. For example, that Congress gave the North Vietnamese billions in US taxpayer ‘reconstruction aid money with in weeks of that war’s ‘end.’ And you might wonder, ‘duhh’why would they do that???
      They just killed almost 60k of our soldiers (invading and bombing their lands) and are still holding countless more. We killed apprx 2-3mn Vietnamese in the same period.

      It was was never about fighting communism or the idiotic ‘domino theory’ It was about military expenditures. AKA enriching the rich who’s kids got deferments.

      Now we have moved a much more extreme position with the 9-11 and wmd’s in Iraq BS,state sanctioned torture and renditions, drones,,, and the dramatic change of our liberates at home. You can be sure some worse is coming down the pike someday as the real power brokers continually rape the treasury (just look at the value of the dollar since the inception of the fed) and enslave the workers of the planet. Obama has already surpassed Bush in raising the national debt -or so I read. best. -you’ll need it

      if you have questions about 9-11 this is a good starting point
      ajl.smugmug . com/911

  • Osmany Herrera February 15, 2012

    I have read through some of these post and for one I am appalled by the lack of information that is received by the American people and the ignorance and indifference that some hold of others.

    A quick synopsis on Iraq, Look into Code Name: CurveBall. He is an Iraqi source who was handed over to the U.S. Government by the Germans. The Germans could not at all verify his information and felt it ridiculous, once the Americans got him they had their reasons to go to war in Iraq; in search of those weapons of mass destruction. 
    It is not because of Saddam’s inhumanities on his own people. That means nothing considering the hundreds of millions of lives lost all over the world outside of these two conflict zones since the war began.

    Oh CAVEAT! Don’t believe fine, don’t take it from the guy who was Military Intelligence in the US Army with deployments to these combat zones. You’re probably right I am not a credible source of information on this.
    ——————————————————————————–
    With that said I think I can move along now and talk about suicide rates in the military.

    For one, to insinuate that these American’s are weak or anything less of the soldiers who fault in conventional battlefields is completely idiotic. 

    These wars are decades apart and have much more history when you look into the intelligence history behind the involved nations not just in Iraq but in Afghanistan as well. 

    This isn’t a war where you can be completely committed to basic animalistic instincts. I’ll explain. In a conventional war you know who your enemy is. Sure they hide through the use of cover and concealment but not through the ploy of hiding amongst innocent civilians. What this does to the psyche is completely different in both situations. So Comparing the soldiers (tools) needed to fight this war in comparison to the past are needed to be completely different!

    Additionally I’d like to address one big problem with this war. Can you see the young 5 year old kid you spoke to yesterday who was happy with the Americans who is now strung up on a stake burnt to ashes? Probably not. What about the young 13 year old kids whose brains and head are mushroomed out? No probably not. Oh how about the young 6 year old who can not be identified because all that is left is the burnt aches and amber of flames burning under the skin to a completely hollowed life and blackened visage. Yes that was cause by IED set by insurgents.  
    Where am I going with this? The fact that on average most Americans come to see this happen to children, Which can in comparison give you chills if it was your own son and you knew of the guise for this war.

    If you have any questions feel free I will be happy to provide sources to these issues.

    These men and women carry up to 4 times as much weight as those in previous wars and volunteered not drafted for this.
    To address them as cowardice and non-soldier like is a complete insult on them their families, this country, and all it stands for.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for such comments especially if you, yourself at one point swore to defend the constitution of the United States.

    • Winston Smith March 28, 2012

       anyone who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution was obligated (literally you are not allowed to follow and illegal or immoral order) to refuse to deploying in either of these manufactured, illegal, and immoral wars. See Ehren Watada for what a proper soldier should be.

      You’re reasoning is the clueless result of years of brainwashing and indoctrination. Study a little history. For example, that Congress gave the North Vietnamese billions in US taxpayer ‘reconstruction aid money with in weeks of that war’s ‘end.’ And you might wonder, ‘duhh’why would they do that???
      They just killed almost 60k of our soldiers (invading and bombing their lands) and are still holding countless more. We killed apprx 2-3mn Vietnamese in the same period.

      It was was never about fighting communism or the idiotic ‘domino theory’ It was about military expenditures. AKA enriching the rich who’s kids got deferments.

      Now we have moved a much more extreme position with the 9-11 and wmd’s in Iraq BS,state sanctioned torture and renditions, drones,,, and the dramatic change of our liberates at home. You can be sure some worse is coming down the pike someday as the real power brokers continually rape the treasury (just look at the value of the dollar since the inception of the fed) and enslave the workers of the planet. Obama has already surpassed Bush in raising the national debt -or so I read. best. -you’ll need it

      if you have questions about 9-11 this is a good starting point
      ajl.smugmug . com/911

  • J February 19, 2012

    Suicide is a tragic but predictable human reaction to being asked to kill —

    well that explains all the suicides in high schools, murder suicides of hubands / wives and vice versa, bully victims,….  oh wait – no it doesn’t!  that was the stupidiest thing I read on the internet in the past 35 seconds….

    when will blogs be congressionally controlled.

  • J February 19, 2012

    Suicide is a tragic but predictable human reaction to being asked to kill —

    well that explains all the suicides in high schools, murder suicides of hubands / wives and vice versa, bully victims,….  oh wait – no it doesn’t!  that was the stupidiest thing I read on the internet in the past 35 seconds….

    when will blogs be congressionally controlled.

  • HerosOrZeros February 23, 2012

    We know elections are bought.   (aka – Representative government is an illusion at best, more likely, illegitimate and fraudulent)

    We know laws are bought. (aka – US “justice” is all but meaningless – fraud)

    Because the US has become a blatantly fraudulent and closed society…  can we honestly consider, our military, to be honorable or heroic,  in any way,  by serving under these conditions? 

    I have no problem with military following good leadership. (aka – WWII, for example) 

    Military that willfully choses to follow bad leadership, is bad military. 

    Suicide is one result of this reality.
    It is the responsibility of every soldier to NOT follow usurped powers.

    In this environment,  heros will step down from assignments administered by those who have usurped their power. 

    In this environment, citizens must help prevent our good sons and daughters from being recruited by such evil powers.

  • HerosOrZeros February 23, 2012

    We know elections are bought.   (aka – Representative government is an illusion at best, more likely, illegitimate and fraudulent)

    We know laws are bought. (aka – US “justice” is all but meaningless – fraud)

    Because the US has become a blatantly fraudulent and closed society…  can we honestly consider, our military, to be honorable or heroic,  in any way,  by serving under these conditions? 

    I have no problem with military following good leadership. (aka – WWII, for example) 

    Military that willfully choses to follow bad leadership, is bad military. 

    Suicide is one result of this reality.
    It is the responsibility of every soldier to NOT follow usurped powers.

    In this environment,  heros will step down from assignments administered by those who have usurped their power. 

    In this environment, citizens must help prevent our good sons and daughters from being recruited by such evil powers.

  • Terry Jennings March 17, 2012

    As a former police officer having taken these type of calls,
    and as a military dependent of a retired military nco, my heart goes out to
    servicemen and their family facing this issue. If you are contemplating this final act ~ please dismiss those thoughts. The ripple it leaves on those you leave behind that love you ~ is catastrophic.   And your demise cannot be reversed.  It’s ok to seek help.  Talk to someone.  No one will judge you.  I beg you to hang in there.  I thank you for your service to our nation.

  • Terry Jennings March 17, 2012

    As a former police officer having taken these type of calls,
    and as a military dependent of a retired military nco, my heart goes out to
    servicemen and their family facing this issue. If you are contemplating this final act ~ please dismiss those thoughts. The ripple it leaves on those you leave behind that love you ~ is catastrophic.   And your demise cannot be reversed.  It’s ok to seek help.  Talk to someone.  No one will judge you.  I beg you to hang in there.  I thank you for your service to our nation.

  • Mike Braddock March 24, 2012

    Kind of shocking, I had no idea that moral was this bad.  They say they don’t know why, but perhaps there was a common theme among the suicide notes?

  • Mike Braddock March 24, 2012

    Kind of shocking, I had no idea that moral was this bad.  They say they don’t know why, but perhaps there was a common theme among the suicide notes?

  • CPL. Smith April 3, 2012

    As a 25 year old COMBAT veteran, I have seen my friends and enemies die, yes I suffer from PTSD, and yes I do have problems but all of those who say its not a big deal, or that I need to ‘compartmentalize’ the traumas, you can kiss my ass. It’s not that easy, believe me, I know, so Mr Robert McLaughlin, as an Active army member, have you ever seen even the sand of a foreign country? Or seen friends, guys you would call family, die? I assume not based on your ignorance on the subject matter. I have contemplated suicide, but there are programs that a lot of young vets don’t know about. And as far as depersonifying the enemy, its not that easy when you see the people and interact with them(spent 2 years in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan) I think that people who think like Robert, and believe the same things need to go let the enemy shoot at them and blow them up, see how much you like it… These guys need our support not our criticism, so please, if you sound like Robert please just go kill yourself and save a troop!!!

    • Guest June 12, 2012

       you engage in illegal immoral wars based on lies, against people who were never a threat to you or anyone, that results in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children..  and you want sympathy?

      kiss my arse, and then kill yourself

  • CPL. Smith April 3, 2012

    As a 25 year old COMBAT veteran, I have seen my friends and enemies die, yes I suffer from PTSD, and yes I do have problems but all of those who say its not a big deal, or that I need to ‘compartmentalize’ the traumas, you can kiss my ass. It’s not that easy, believe me, I know, so Mr Robert McLaughlin, as an Active army member, have you ever seen even the sand of a foreign country? Or seen friends, guys you would call family, die? I assume not based on your ignorance on the subject matter. I have contemplated suicide, but there are programs that a lot of young vets don’t know about. And as far as depersonifying the enemy, its not that easy when you see the people and interact with them(spent 2 years in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan) I think that people who think like Robert, and believe the same things need to go let the enemy shoot at them and blow them up, see how much you like it… These guys need our support not our criticism, so please, if you sound like Robert please just go kill yourself and save a troop!!!

    • Guest June 12, 2012

       you engage in illegal immoral wars based on lies, against people who were never a threat to you or anyone, that results in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children..  and you want sympathy?

      kiss my arse, and then kill yourself

  • Tizzrizza April 11, 2012

    Conscience.

  • Tizzrizza April 11, 2012

    Conscience.

  • Tizzrizza April 11, 2012

    The man asked a question! And no one here has provided an answer! Conscience! You know the thing that apparently 99% of humanity lacks anymore! 

  • Tizzrizza April 11, 2012

    The man asked a question! And no one here has provided an answer! Conscience! You know the thing that apparently 99% of humanity lacks anymore! 

  • Lembray April 18, 2012

    To answer the general — TBI’s percipitive — subtle anosognosia the diagnosis — miss treatment and diagnosis the precipitave.

    Lemuel C Bray
    lembray@gmail.com
    307 316 8568

          

  • Lembray April 18, 2012

    To answer the general — TBI’s percipitive — subtle anosognosia the diagnosis — miss treatment and diagnosis the precipitave.

    Lemuel C Bray
    lembray@gmail.com
    307 316 8568

          

  • Spartacus Jones May 28, 2012

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”

    Don’t know, General Disingenuous?
    I’ll fill you in.
    It’s when you’ve done something you can’t live with.
    When you find out you’ve been the redcoat in somebody else’s revolution.
    When you discover you’ve been the invader, oppressor, the brute, the nazi.
    When you figure out that everything you’ve been taught about the US being good, and decent, with “liberty and justice for all” is complete bullshit.
    You dream of being the good guy, the hero.
    But you’re not.
    Your the opposite.
    Or worse.
    You’ve become the very thing you despise.

    Physical pain is easy.
    It’s moral pain that’s devastating.

    sj

  • Spartacus Jones May 28, 2012

    “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”

    Don’t know, General Disingenuous?
    I’ll fill you in.
    It’s when you’ve done something you can’t live with.
    When you find out you’ve been the redcoat in somebody else’s revolution.
    When you discover you’ve been the invader, oppressor, the brute, the nazi.
    When you figure out that everything you’ve been taught about the US being good, and decent, with “liberty and justice for all” is complete bullshit.
    You dream of being the good guy, the hero.
    But you’re not.
    Your the opposite.
    Or worse.
    You’ve become the very thing you despise.

    Physical pain is easy.
    It’s moral pain that’s devastating.

    sj

  • Matt4RonPaul May 28, 2012

    The simple answer: Those who profit from war, do. The 6 corporate mega-banks (JP Morgan Chase, The Federal Reserve, Citibank, et al) are the war profiteers. They will send anyone to their death in order to profit. They control the government, they pull the strings. They are the puppet masters. Our government has been hijacked.

    The end.

  • LiveFree May 28, 2012

    The simple answer: Those who profit from war, do. The 6 corporate mega-banks (JP Morgan Chase, The Federal Reserve, Citibank, et al) are the war profiteers. They will send anyone to their death in order to profit. They control the government, they pull the strings. They are the puppet masters. Our government has been hijacked.

    The end.

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  • alex June 2, 2012

    Robert you are correct and the comments underneath you show how the future of the world is going to be run straight into the ground by men who have accepted the pusification of their gender.  It is no longer right or glorious or good to stand up for anything especially not something that is necessary and no one is  responsible for their own actions anymore.  It is unbearable for responsible people who know what need to be done to live here because they are constantly being told what they can’t do in order to further the spiral of destruction of the human race and deprive people of their right to stand up for themselves and their people to the great pleasure of the ruling class.  The sad part is that everyone is more than happy to accept their role as slaves and ignorants in all of this.

  • alex June 2, 2012

    Robert you are correct and the comments underneath you show how the future of the world is going to be run straight into the ground by men who have accepted the pusification of their gender.  It is no longer right or glorious or good to stand up for anything especially not something that is necessary and no one is  responsible for their own actions anymore.  It is unbearable for responsible people who know what need to be done to live here because they are constantly being told what they can’t do in order to further the spiral of destruction of the human race and deprive people of their right to stand up for themselves and their people to the great pleasure of the ruling class.  The sad part is that everyone is more than happy to accept their role as slaves and ignorants in all of this.

  • Tony Pasta June 8, 2012

    Something stinks!   Silence the potential whistlblowers!  Nobody wants to be accused of war crimes…  let alone be convicted. 

  • Tony Pasta June 8, 2012

    Something stinks!   Silence the potential whistlblowers!  Nobody wants to be accused of war crimes…  let alone be convicted. 

  • Paul Panza June 12, 2012

    The military is made up of murderers period. Put them on trial and put them in jail were they belong. The military has no social redeeming value regardless of the perceived righteousness of the aggressor, like the USA, NATO and the UN.

  • Paul Panza June 12, 2012

    The military is made up of murderers period. Put them on trial and put them in jail were they belong. The military has no social redeeming value regardless of the perceived righteousness of the aggressor, like the USA, NATO and the UN.

  • Lady August 14, 2012

    People commit suicide because they feel there is no hope.

     

  • Lady August 14, 2012

    People commit suicide because they feel there is no hope.

     

  • cinnamon toast September 15, 2012

    I am horrified that so many are committing suicide. I don’t know if it is PTSD or mind control experiments by our government but I will pray intently for this to stop.
    God bless our fighting men and women. We need to get them all home. Wrest them from the Globalists and let those countries, including ours, run their own lives!
    New World Order government power-brokers and bankers are the ones who need to stand down.

  • cinnamon toast September 15, 2012

    I am horrified that so many are committing suicide. I don’t know if it is PTSD or mind control experiments by our government but I will pray intently for this to stop.
    God bless our fighting men and women. We need to get them all home. Wrest them from the Globalists and let those countries, including ours, run their own lives!
    New World Order government power-brokers and bankers are the ones who need to stand down.

  • William Andrews September 18, 2012

    As someone who has served in the gulf war,I was proud at the time of what we did.
    But now,looking back at what we did,and at the end results of what we did,as well as the friends that I lost then,as well as the ones that ate bullets,or sunk into addiction since then has made me wonder if anything that we did has resulted in making the world better?
    I was the true warrior that my friend talked about.
    Many years later,with the end results of that war going against all of our purposes,
    As I grow older I have to seriously question all that I have done.
    Have I made the world a happier place?
    Or did I just drink the cool aid?

  • William Andrews September 18, 2012

    As someone who has served in the gulf war,I was proud at the time of what we did.
    But now,looking back at what we did,and at the end results of what we did,as well as the friends that I lost then,as well as the ones that ate bullets,or sunk into addiction since then has made me wonder if anything that we did has resulted in making the world better?
    I was the true warrior that my friend talked about.
    Many years later,with the end results of that war going against all of our purposes,
    As I grow older I have to seriously question all that I have done.
    Have I made the world a happier place?
    Or did I just drink the cool aid?

  • ozzythaman October 9, 2012

    Killing is not to be taken lightly.

    All our actions and all our words echo on for all eternity.

    We will all learn eventually. Just think more before you act.

    Many of those who kill themselves do so for upholding their integrity.
    Many of those who kill others do so for upholding their promise towards their army, whose leaders are also expected to be upholding their integrity as protectors of their country.

    Just as the defenders of THEIR COUNTRIES and THEIR lifestyles uphold THEIR INTEGRITY from outer invaders for attacking them without justice.

    The only difference between the two parties is where and when their opened their eyes.

    Yet some of them consider themselves superior to others.

    For different reasons at different times.

    Too much truth are too much to bear for some ears, this is why some do not hear about some things.

    Those without integrity are those to blame.

  • ozzythaman October 9, 2012

    Killing is not to be taken lightly.

    All our actions and all our words echo on for all eternity.

    We will all learn eventually. Just think more before you act.

    Many of those who kill themselves do so for upholding their integrity.
    Many of those who kill others do so for upholding their promise towards their army, whose leaders are also expected to be upholding their integrity as protectors of their country.

    Just as the defenders of THEIR COUNTRIES and THEIR lifestyles uphold THEIR INTEGRITY from outer invaders for attacking them without justice.

    The only difference between the two parties is where and when their opened their eyes.

    Yet some of them consider themselves superior to others.

    For different reasons at different times.

    Too much truth are too much to bear for some ears, this is why some do not hear about some things.

    Those without integrity are those to blame.

  • kari October 28, 2012

    You want to know why a large portion of soldiers are killing themselves, PTSD etc….check out larium toxicity. This is where the truth lies! Stop giving mefloquine to the soldiers….

  • kari October 28, 2012

    You want to know why a large portion of soldiers are killing themselves, PTSD etc….check out larium toxicity. This is where the truth lies! Stop giving mefloquine to the soldiers….

  • Fed-up July 13, 2013

    You people on here amaze me with your stupid dis-functional comments, Mr Israel mainly, I served my country for over 20 years, You are one of those people that think, I have freedom, so I can belittle the Men and Women about suicide and the money wasted, But know one, say’s anything about the worthless people who are free, that do not want to work, live on welfare, and take Billions out of real tax paying people’s pockets so they can say, Military people are worthless, You are free because people like me did volunteer to keep your sorry butt’s free. so keep your negative comments to yourself, or move to the Middle East, and see what they think of you, Maybe you will get your head cut off, so we can laugh at you.

  • Peter C Jurczyk February 4, 2014

    A possible solution that could reduce soldier suicides could be that once a month on base soldiers in inspection formation get specifically asked if individual soldier has any thoughts of suicide. The same for discharged soldier have servicemans recruiting office call once a month

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