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the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower, among every age group, than the respective civilian population.

but you probably just missed that.

Source?

Source?

Source?

Source?

Source?

you said: “the suicide rate among active duty servicemembers is lower”.

You are probably right, but not amongst soldiers sent to war in Afghanistan or Iran.

 — and put their remains and effects into bags, metal boxes and love letters

o.O

and refrigerators, not love letters.

and refrigerators, not love letters.

and refrigerators, not love letters.

“One soldier, Jess Goodell, recounts a marine brought into the unit still breathing. She frantically called to her superiors, to which they simply replied, “wait.” She watched while he died.
Absolute bollox – load of shite comment and anybody that believes such rubbish needs to have their brains reconnected. what planet is that person from?

US mil get the best med care ,never that would happen, ever. Marines take care for their own, always look after their guys.

semper fi.

the source most likely  was 24 beers and a lifetime on a couch in front of chat shows and tv shopping channels.
ill educated , ill informed rubbish.

wow you’re ignorant and dumb. must be a marine.

How come there are so many veterans who can’t afford the mental health care they need for their PTSD, then? Those military members aren’t getting the best health care.

Do you have a source that says otherwise?  Being a hypocrite is no way to have your opinion heard. 

It doesn’t matter whether the war is based on lies. The experience of combat is destructive of the human soul regardless of the justification for the war.

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If the military gets free healthcare, then why did the marine die?

Is that right? Because I have spent the past nine years helping my husband live with his PTSD, and every day I fervently watch over him to make sure I’m not missing anything, because the military refuses to diagnose it. The government won’t pay for it. In the end, those who join the military are used as pawns for political and monetary gain of the elite political class.

Regardless of whether they care for each other, those high in command are first and foremost, politicians. This thing you believe in can and will fail  you. It has killed and destroyed your brothers.

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What a load off bull honestly peoplewill believe anything. Did you hear that aliens are coming to earth next week to collect some drunk people to experiment on!

although i don’t believe that a marine was allowed to die without any attempt to save him. your claim that the military get the best medical treatment is way off base. have you ever been to an actual military hospital?  they tend to be overcrowded, understaffed, and woefully behind the times in equipment. this i know from experience

although i don’t believe that a marine was allowed to die without any attempt to save him. your claim that the military get the best medical treatment is way off base. have you ever been to an actual military hospital?  they tend to be overcrowded, understaffed, and woefully behind the times in equipment. this i know from experience

Cannabis treats PTSD. I can’t say it cures it but it helps, a lot.

I heard Jess talking about that soldier who came in breathing on NPR.  She has written a book, I believe. 

The reason why this is not news is because suicide rates of US soldiers are not very dissimilar from suicide rates of other people in the same age  and sex group.  Suicide rate in U.S. males is 17.7 per 100,000. Suicide rate in military is just little higher.

I would think that if someone is being asked to do such a gruesome thing, they would like to know that it is for some good cause (e.g. freedom) not just for oil. Some sort of justification for the act.

More US citizen commited suicide than died in combat.

the dimwit that asked the stupid question above doesn’t seem to realize this “suicide” phenomenon on this scale is new.  not seen in US war history.   the fact he asks the question clearly defines him as stupid.  low quality troops, low quality training, low quality command structure, unelected presidunce Bush,  need i say more? 

view the docudrama “REDACTED.”  you may find answers there.

did you “read” that statement above?  jesus f. christ, what a dimwit.

“If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please
let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we
don’t know.”

Er, maybe not sending the same troops back for 3, 4, or 5 (maybe by now 6) tours of combat duty will help!

In the Vietnam war, a soldier served one 13 month tour. And if he or she returned home alive, her or his military combat tour was over. Unless the soldier was a career soldier in which case he or she could be sent back into combat.

But to give these troops a few weeks at home to recoup, then to send them back to a foreign country, to fight a war whose purpose is vague at best, does not promote sound minds.

Go check under the local bridge and tell your “Guys” you’re doing all you can….

Remember the Walter Reed Hospital dungeons the returning disabled veterans were housed in, well, there are thousands of other horrifying places the military & VA place the veterans in that are just as bad….

Actually the suicide rate in the military is much larger than the 17.7 per 100,000 number you cite.  There are only about a hundred thousand in Iraq and Afganistan, and 2.2 million on active and reserve duty.   If these numbers come only from active duty soliders the suicide rate is about 33 per 100,000.

Actually I have watched many people who have been deemed “Expectant” have nothing more than an IV bag of morphine squeezed into them to help them pass away while working in the Balad air base ER. It does happen buddy, on a daily basis… War is horrible.

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Get your facts straight before posting. When you post on emotion, then you sound like an idiot. What do you propose we do, go back to a draft? Soldiers today are no way near the soldiers of Vietnam. Apples and oranges! They are volunteer soldiers, and don’t have to deal with the quality of Soldiers you had to work with as with the draft.

You too need to get your facts straight. There is no oil in Afghanistan!!!

on the flip side, it sounds as if you haven’t been to a civilian hospital to compare a military one against. Sure, it may not be as great a a top private, commercial, hospital, but for the most part, military hospitals do their best. Besides, in question is the care on the battlefield, and that kind of care is top notch. Soldier’s are not only higly trained on care, but are surrounded by other Soldiers who are also trained in some leavel of treatment (Tactical Combat Casualty Care), and are medics are sometimes afforded the opportunity to work in emergency rooms prior to deployment (not to mention, years of experience in combat).

to many young soldiers getting there E-5 and abusing there power because they are not mature enough to use it to train a young soldier. That I personally saw cause depression in the ranks

Oh man if they are, my ex will be the first in line on the list of crazy dunks!

Bullshit.Unocal has a pipeline going through it.

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Cannot be sure about the best care; however, I really bet that body was releicing natural gases which may appear as breathing. Probably part of the reason she has PTSD also. As for the claims that the government doesn’t care about the soldiers and will not treat them; you can see people on both sides of that fence. Some say that they have been treated well; while others say that they have been left behind in the dust. There is allot of paper work and organizations out there that help soldiers get the help they need; but it does require a little bit of work and motivation on part of the soldier themselves and family. Finally, the NIH and other organizations in the USA are working frantically to try and make available more psychologists to treat returning soldiers. The system can only take so much. Yes, these soldiers might not be career soldiers; but the last time I checked they signed up for this and are not being forced as with the draft back during the 60s. In a way, perhaps all the people here that are so against the issue; should just protest infront of militery recruite offices to stop new sign ups. I am sorry; but they signed up for militery duty. I guess for years that meant some weekend worrier stuff….well there is a few wars going on. 

Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

Maybe/maybe not Leadersadvocte but there is Opium, acccess to  Natural Gas piped from Uzbekistan, access to Iran and Pakistan, a pinzer position with Iran the sandwich between Iraq and Afganistan, and access to China through Pakistan. Apart from that I can see no reason why they are there!

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I can’t understand how soldiers can obey their commander when the DOD is all about making the top politicans rich.  And soldiers are expected to kill innocent people.  The soldiers are right in the middle of all the lies, and of course they see it all and hear it all.  Let the politicians fight amongst themselves to solve their differences, and leave the every day people alone. 

You’re right.  There’s no oil in Afghanistan.  There’s a lot of oil in Iraq though.  Afghanistan does however hold what many geologists believe to be the second largest deposits of rare earth elements, second to China.  What Iraq and Afghanistan both have in common is a border next to Iran.  It doesn’t take a genius to do the math on the last 30 years of foreign policy in the middle east.  So get your facts straight.  There is no honor in being a puppet for a corrupt war based on lies.

The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

The best med care?  Have you been inside a military or veterans hospital lately?  I have.  I’ve seen the conditions in Walter Reed.  Sure, it’s quite possible that the soldier still breathing was a lie, but don’t you dare talk about medical care for military when the D.O.D. is bringing soldiers home and throwing them away like trash.  Educate and inform yourself, veterans from the past 10 years have had the hardest of times when they come home.  The D.O.D. doesn’t pay for most mental illnesses that result from extended tours in combat.  Always look after their guys?  Who’s looking after them when they get home to a country and government that would just as soon forget they existed?

Like many things that are free.  Quality and free do not often go hand in hand.

As a Vietnam era veteran, what you are saying is ONLY partly correct,sir. As a product of my dad as a professional career soldier of WWII,Korea,& Vetnam & being an U.S.A.F. Strategic Air Command, during the scary “cold war” times, I somewhat have an insight on this subject. Yes, the draft is now not a factor anymore, but that is due to Washington’s change in their viewpoint, and it’s defense budget allotted. As a result the military has made a move, over the many years, by doing MORE  with less personnel.As a result with the death of the ”evil empire”, that prompted massive fear in the U.S.A. to introduce the triad and it’s M.A.D.  idea, Washington was on the track to “save” money by reducing the number of personnel & the bases.
The soldier of today, those same  good military reserve  people are being ask to obey their given orders 365 days,24 hours each and every time, over and over a gain,under in-conceivable conditions. 
It’s no-wonder their stesses overwhelm them. That’s the true reality sir. Everyone has a limit.

Sandra, I  know how what your saying makes a lot of sense, but take a look from the young person that may not have many means or resources & are trying to feed their family.Sure,after signing up in the reserve military,they might not be thinking things through,but to them desperate times require desperate means. The government has always counted on many young and the poor.
And yes, I agree with all you have said about the devisive and immoral enmities in our governments. 

These PTSD soldiers sicken me. They are a drain on society. We have tons of them in Israel. Better they take care of themselves than people pay for their cuckoo brain.

I served. I am not crazy, I am happy.

You have to let him go and make it on his on.

The more you baby him, the worst it will get.

You sicken me. If you can take numerous human lives and be constantly exposed to death of close friends and children without any emotion or bad dealings then in my opinion you need to evaluate what is important in your life. I saw to many innocent lives lost and families lose their only children over what? an illegal war for minerals that are not ours?lemme guess you are more upset Bout an animal dyeing than a human?

I do agree that he is being very inconsiderate, and doesn’t truly understand the human mind (he may even have underlying problems in his mind that will appear later, but that isn’t true for everyone,) but you are also being rather inconsiderate .) Soldiers are trained to become accustomed to the killing of other soldiers, and loss of people around them. You cannot fully take the thoughts away as shown in the after problems of many soldiers, but some are able to put it out of the way to fight for us. To criticize what is important in his life is very inconsiderate, being as he was trained in order to actually think the way you are demonizing him for thinking. 

Believe me I understand that the human brain can be desensitized to those types of things and some twisted people do actually enjoy it. I see it day in and day out. However I see to many homeless vets that are so mentally unstable from the garbage their country has put them through its sickening. Seeing children murdered will mess a person up, especially a parent, my supervisor lost it when his first Iraqi kid died on him in the ER, he was the same age as his own son. I am not demonizing him just trying to help the guy realize its ok to be upset after you kill someone or lose a fellow soldier. Trust me I have been there and you don’t want to Bottle that shit up. One day it will come out.

You are the one that is sickening.  

You are the one that is sickening.  

I can tell you why. Because the bureaucrats won’t let them win, that’s why. There is also no clearly defined goal to what a win would even be. If the Politicians would get out of the way and let those boys go take care of business, then they could all get back home to their families feeling like winners in stead of losers.  They’re not losers but many of our Politicians sure are.

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lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

lol yea your comment made you sound so sane. Stop living in your ignorant bubble.  

ARE YOU A TROLL? HOW CAN YOU SERIOUSLY TELL A WOMAN THIS ABOUT HER HUBAND?

Nothing ever changes.

Nothing ever changes.

They are fighting for more special unappreciated rights for women.  As such, they have no “pursuit of happiness” once they return to the feminized US, if they ever get to.

They are fighting for more special unappreciated rights for women.  As such, they have no “pursuit of happiness” once they return to the feminized US, if they ever get to.

He’s not a troll. Just a dirty jew.

if you have never served, or had an immediate member of your family serve. you should have nothing to say about the way military life really is.

They didn’t account for the soldiers that got out of the army and then committed suicide

They didn’t account for the soldiers that got out of the army and then committed suicide

God you’re a fucking idiot.

It does here in Sweden.

When you come to the horrible realization that you were willing party to murder then you really only have a few choices. suicide being a valid one.

nay

you are also an asshole

you are also an asshole

you are also an asshole

PTSD is serious and real. Anyone, including military should get help asap. It takes a long time to heal because your mind recalls the trauma over and over again. You lose sleep, get depressed and anxious. It isn’t a laughing matter and they definitely aren’t crazy. Drain on society? The drain on society are people who live here on our tax dollars or the drug dealers/addicts who put our lives in constant jeopardy.

Oh geez!! There isn’t oil, BUT THERE ARE DRUGS…OPIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it possible that it’s a drug war instead?

You are among the lucky ones, but not all soldiers, especially those conscripted from civilian life, are able to deal with what they’ve experienced.  The problem is that stigma and lack of resources mean that many do not get the help they need.  With simple, inexpensive and short-term treatment, many with PTSD could successfully integrate back into society, but attitudes like yours only keep them from getting the help they need.  Not that I’d expect a lot of compassion from an Israeli.  I hope your comments are an example to all of the stigma those with PTSD have to face everyday.

You are among the lucky ones, but not all soldiers, especially those conscripted from civilian life, are able to deal with what they’ve experienced.  The problem is that stigma and lack of resources mean that many do not get the help they need.  With simple, inexpensive and short-term treatment, many with PTSD could successfully integrate back into society, but attitudes like yours only keep them from getting the help they need.  Not that I’d expect a lot of compassion from an Israeli.  I hope your comments are an example to all of the stigma those with PTSD have to face everyday.

Do you people know what the word serve means? Most of you seem to use it . It comes from the Latin word  SERVUS  which means SLAVE.
Amazing ,huh?

Do you people know what the word serve means? Most of you seem to use it . It comes from the Latin word  SERVUS  which means SLAVE.
Amazing ,huh?

But there is heroin . The same reason that Britain had troops there in the 19th century  to protect the opium which was sent to China —hence the Boxer rebellions and the leasing of Hong Kong to the Brits for 99 years when China lost the rather unfair fight with a highly industrialised nation.The same families involved today are the descendants of the families who ran the trade then.The more things change the more they remain the same.

But there is heroin . The same reason that Britain had troops there in the 19th century  to protect the opium which was sent to China —hence the Boxer rebellions and the leasing of Hong Kong to the Brits for 99 years when China lost the rather unfair fight with a highly industrialised nation.The same families involved today are the descendants of the families who ran the trade then.The more things change the more they remain the same.

SEMPER FIDELES -Always Faithful . The question being,  are you faithful to them, or are they faithful to you?

The line troops in 12 months in the field saw more
 combat than infantry units saw in WWII in 4 yrs….
 Calling Iraq and Afghan a WAR is a misnomer….
 The casualty reports do not confirm it….15,000
that’s 50 dudes A DAY…
 men died in VIETNAM  in 1968…..and no doubt
 90% of the soldiers who venture in those zones
 nowdays are just REMF’s..the rear escelon who will never
  see actual combat or see their units decimated within
  one year…the US Soldier nowdays is not a volunteer….
   he is a paid Merc…..who happened to be disolutioned
   and unemployed teenager…ect…..things keep transpiring
   in Pakistan like they have been …..these REMF’s will be
    forced to prove themselves in a REAL WAR…. instead of a 
Bloody Police Action….with tactical air support
wearing the uniform
    doesn’t make you an instant RAMBO….yeh have to pay
    your dues first….and then your’e   ANTI WAR……the
     reason for all the suicides…..the solution to NAM was
     the draftees no longer showed up…..and the troops began
     the internal rebellion  via fragging…ect  in the field….something
     the Defense Dept ( ex WaR Department) will not admit…
   

I know why. thier conscience can’t deal with what they know we have done. that’s the same reason that army shrink went postal. he broke under the weight of all the stories told him by his patients.
somebody pass it on the the pentagon huh.

I know why. thier conscience can’t deal with what they know we have done. that’s the same reason that army shrink went postal. he broke under the weight of all the stories told him by his patients.
somebody pass it on the the pentagon huh.

Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.

Agree Jbenn0991, this is a problem that is not being addressed within the military. 

There could be some factors which would exacerbate
Depression in these soldiers.
1 Excitotoxins in the processed food they eat. ie MSG
Glutamate, Aspartamine,  etc… refer to Dr. Blaylocks
Book, “:The taste that Kills”
2. Russian “Woodpecker” and scalar wave technologies.
These weaponized devices can interfer with the well being  of brain chemistries . Dr Nick B wrote the book
“Angels don’t play this Harp” Russia has developed this
technology for field application. Also Iran supposedly
has Scalar wave weapons buried on their borders. Note
they just brought down a US unmaned drone!!!
Just some different Ideas to stir in the pot.
MrBillC

@twitter-302930167:disqus  I bet you served in a time of relative peace, and did not have any traumatic experiences. The military is a drain on society. The government is a drain on society. Those who come out of war with PTSD are the cost and consequence of being a warlike, big government society. If we cannot take care of those injured in war, be it physical and or mental, then we have no business going to war in the first place.

I also served, but unlike you, I am not happy. I saw and learned things that I wish upon nobody. It scarred me, both physically and mentally. I have what may be called a moral wound. That is when one is forced to go against one’s deeply held moral beliefs, and then suffers (possibly forever) with an intractable conflict within. Suicide may be the only cure for such a moral wound, and I’m only surprised that the suicide numbers are not higher. I’ve been on the brink twice, and am not sure of my future.

Could have been screened by triage.  That is US Military (medical) policy.  No doubt Marines take care of Marines.  Also though, triage separates those that can be saved and those who can not. 

Could have been screened by triage.  That is US Military (medical) policy.  No doubt Marines take care of Marines.  Also though, triage separates those that can be saved and those who can not. 

Smoke more dope Andy.

“If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”I say, time to demote General Peter Chiarelli and find someone with better knowledge about humans to be a General. After all the army still uses humans not robots. What a moron.

you also served in a totally different generation… your wars were nothing like todays never ending wars.

General Peter Chiarelli, did you ever think it might be because they take an Oath to support and defend the US Constitution when they go in. That they are told it is all about “protecting American Freedom” and it turns out it is a UN issue or defending big business issue in reality.
Then they see the “politics” involved with higher ups who lie, cheat, steal, do anything but what they are in there to do, which is defend this nation from the DOMESTIC enemies as well as the Foreign ones.
That we have a POTUS who is illegally occupying that office because he did NOT keep his Oath as required to do if he wanted to LEGALLY stay in that position. That alone says we have been taken over by DOMESTIC enemies.
Plus I am sure some of those were actually murdered for refusing to not uphold their Oath to their country for whom they were REALLY fighting, and then called suicide.  (from one who served and needs to be kept private).
If you do NOT have the honor or Balls to keep the Oath you took (quite a few times on your way up the ladder) then you need to be arrested as a Domestic Enemy of the USA.

A US citizen who cares about THIS country, not politics which is ran by domestic enemies, or upward mobility at the cost of American citizens and this countries liberty.

This statistic is being woefully misused here. Fewer die in combat than suicide because the US military is excellent at fighting safely, not because they commit suicide a lot. In fact, other studies show that soldiers are less likely to commit suicide than their civilian peers. What should actually be taken away from this is that the young people overseas are so good at their jobs, that they are safer from combat than civilians are from suicide. 

Absolutely. The military life is uniquely difficult, but so is the amazing support systems. I grew up in an Air Force family, and I am in the Army myself. 21 years of military lief has taught me that the people are great, and take care of each other like no one else. 

everyone who joins the military is made aware of the danger he or she could face before they sign up it is part and parcel of the occupation they have freely chosen,they are therefore responsible for for the situation they have put themselfs in,i  feel sorry for injured soldiers but like i said this is part of the game they chose to play.My heart goes out to the moms, dads brothers wifes and sisters who are left with a lifetime burden of care, hardship and responsibility for there injured loved ones because if they do not do it nowone else will,the military do rehab give them a meager allowance and leave them to rot and hope that the world forgets about them,this is also in my opinion one of the main reasons for the high rate of suicide amoungst military personal past and present.

Perhaps you could cheer up poor old General Chiarelli with your spin…dont worry we’re very good at fighting safely, ignore the majority of dead soldiers corpses with slit wrists and look at the others instead.

u r an idiot

u r an idiot

Good Grief!
Should we be surprised this “too idiotic to be a general” doesn’t get it?  How many of us, if there was no other way wouldn’t kill our own selves in order to stop being forced to kill others (including babies, young children, old people, women)?  These people can find no other way to stop the killing than to kill themselves and these conscienceless morons at the pentagon shrug and go “i don’t know, whadya think?”  

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There was no need to add your last comment “let me guess, you are more upset about an animal dying than a human.” What does one have to do with the other? One’s love for animals should never be used as an excuse or motivating factor for one’s callous attitudes towards humans. Besides, animals were never even mentioned in the OP’s comment.  

Stick to the subject matter. All life is valuable, which is why we should be opposed to wars and any taking of life.

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This doesn’t even take into account the various experimental vaccinations all soldiers are forced to submit to.

The only solution here is to convince people to STOP SIGNING UP for these wars!!!!  

This doesn’t even take into account the various experimental vaccinations all soldiers are forced to submit to.

The only solution here is to convince people to STOP SIGNING UP for these wars!!!!  

Actually is does matter because if you are fighting  based on truth and in self defense your purpose and intentions are different, which means a world of difference, especially related to outcome.

how about if:
as long as they are there and looting the place for any commodities they find,  know of, learn of, and/or stumble upon. (i.e. oil, opium, ancient artifacts, cash, weaponry, etc.)

We have to remember, there are suicides all the time in all walks of life.  We just don’t hear ablut 99% of them.  So, when you take into account that all of these suicides are reported and that the people serving in the Army now are a cross section of society, there numbers should not suprise anyone.

We have to remember, there are suicides all the time in all walks of life.  We just don’t hear ablut 99% of them.  So, when you take into account that all of these suicides are reported and that the people serving in the Army now are a cross section of society, there numbers should not suprise anyone.

This goes for any time your strugling in life and feel depressed or hopeless. It’s called the “HALT” rule. Halt stands for four words.
Four things that if you give attention to will help you to feel better. They are Hungry, Angry, Lonely and Tired. The more of these you have at any one time the more you feel overwehlmed. Sometimes you cannot fix them all but if you can make one better then you will start to feel better. So if your depressed
Halt yourself and ask yourself what can I fix right now.    

“If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”Is this guy kidding? That’s EASY! ILLEGAL WARS are causing them to commit suicide, you idiot!

Tim said:  “Think its bad now? Wait until they are ordered to round up and/or fire on American citizens.”  At least Tim is awake.  What about the other 300+ million Americans?

The One Thing that causes Suicide is ELF Frequencies Between 6 to 10 Hz sending negative hate signals being transmitted by H.A.A.R.P. yes your own Military and it’s doesn’t help when Your Own Military Tells you to kill or brothers and sisters for profit and we all know it so stop the killing and turn off the ELF Transmitters.. Why do some not feel the effects of depression…   THEY SMOKE POT and ELF Signals are ignored by the effect of Marijuana actually creating new  Cannabinoid receptor type 1   phytocannabinoids and you start to experience new intellect Ignoring the NEW WORLD ORDER…, 

Fox News, or some draft dodging right-wing conservative radio personalilty, (Great American, like Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity… War hardened ,  opinionators…

They were lied to, deny that smarty pants… They know the truth.

Right Andy, keep on believing that, only a jarhead believes everything he is told, now go and apply for disability…

Right Andy, keep on believing that, only a jarhead believes everything he is told, now go and apply for disability…

You are a wonderful wife, and he is a very fortunate man to have you. Keep fighting them for his rights, and thnk you…

Wow!!!

Lt. Dan, of Forrest Gump fame was right… think about it for a minute…

You are right Brett, but Americans like things all wrapped up in a pretty box with a yellow ribbon tied around it.  It kind of makes them feel good when they start beating the drums to start another war… funny,  they are doing just that now,  don’t believe it;  watch the next republican debate, and then google the last 10 or 11 and watch them all jump out of the clown car beating the same old tune.  Why not, their kids don’t have to worry about it…

Maybe Mr. Bush and mr. Cheney will put in a few good words for the returning troops. It was all Ra, Ra, Ra when they got us into this mess, but now,  Crickets… Do you ever see anybody from that Cabal, speaking out for jobs, or better whatever you can think of that will benefit our returning troops? Listen to the candidates, do you ever hear them talk about PTSD?

Maybe Mr. Bush and mr. Cheney will put in a few good words for the returning troops. It was all Ra, Ra, Ra when they got us into this mess, but now,  Crickets… Do you ever see anybody from that Cabal, speaking out for jobs, or better whatever you can think of that will benefit our returning troops? Listen to the candidates, do you ever hear them talk about PTSD?

Give this guy the big rainbow sucker, wait, that is his head… did he really say “a lifetime burden of care? Lt. Dan… you were right… Burden? Really??

Sounds good, but it is not logical, the truth always matters, and it the truth about 9/11 had been told, we never would have gone to war in the first place… but be proud, and just try to sleep… yeah, sometimes you have “visitors” dropping by… sometimes you make eye contact… nothing like your video games.

(Freedom)?  Go talk to the people in the Occupy Wall Street Movement? Then watch out for the Baton!!! And all those para-military peace officers there to protect the establishment from your “Freedom”…

Semper, Fi

(Freedom)?  Go talk to the people in the Occupy Wall Street Movement? Then watch out for the Baton!!! And all those para-military peace officers there to protect the establishment from your “Freedom”…

Semper, Fi

Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

[...] More US Soldiers Committed Suicide Than Died in Combat [...]

Marines are not soldiers… They are Marines.  Also Marine is capitalized. There are some messed up variables here too, the Marine Corps has a much lower suicide rate than the Army, however much of the focus of the article is on the Marines.  Call me confused.  I spent 8 years in the Corps, much in Iraq, I know people that are suffering, but no one is going this far.

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As a therapist, I can tell the general what’s causing all of these suicides. A full 50% of all of our active duty service men & women are suffering from PTSD, a condition that nearly always comes with a secondary diagnosis of depression. What this article doesn’t make clear is how many of those suicides occur AFTER the person has come back to the US. They are hanging on by their fingernails till they can get to the VA for help. Then they find out the waiting list for treatment is 10-11 months. That’s when many suicides take place. For normal human beings, having killed is a heavy burden. Having witnessed death is a trauma in itself. Many military women are being raped and refused any medical treatment. The general need only take an honest look at the system to know what’s wrong.

The Pentagon does not send soldiers to war, politicians do that. I would like to see all of those responsible walk in the shoes of a deployed soldier for just a month and then see if they would send them away from their families for years at a time. Just the isolation from home is horrible enough regardless of the danger. I know, my son just came back from a year in Afghanistan. We need a standing army, navy and air force to protect our country, negotiation cannot be undertaken from a position of weakness, but it is politicians who have recklessly used and abused the power of our armed forces and therefore the  brave men and women who serve, and voters who give them that power. So think carefully who you vote for and in conversation appeal to people’s better nature that they may do the same.  There are life a death consequences to choosing the bully and the  gunslinger as opposed to the statesman and peacemaker.
In the end it is us the people who are responsible for all of it.

tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

Yes sir, they are getting the un-educated population all riled up to invade Iran and Syria next. It boggles my mind how people can sleep at night while sending young kids into die in un-just/illegal wars. Hopefully the one true anti-war canidate will prevail and bring us back to the constitution. Ron Paul is the only guy right now that will do this. 

the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

that wouldnt be bad that would be like yay we get to rid the world of idiots like you.

that wouldnt be bad that would be like yay we get to rid the world of idiots like you.

You are an idiot sir. Your whole paragraph with all of the……and the DoD is not ex War it is still the war department. Do you really think they got rid of a department that conceptualizes war? Leaving us with nothing? and if you for once think that fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq is not a real war, then you have not been. So do us all a favor and kill yourself so we do not have you running around spreading your idiocy throughout our beloved country.
 

nice and mature

nice and mature

Soldiers are specifically those in the US Army, Marines are Marines. Which does this statistic pertain to? Soldiers in the Army, or troops overall? 

My 2 cents… while I was deployed I saw a lot of whiny brats who flashed gang signs and live for facebook. Drill sergeants today have a rough road molly coddling the kids who complain about stress or being yelled at. 90% of those in the military should not have passed muster. Gone are the true warriors with iron constitutions, who can create a mental box for war and keep it apart from the rest of their lives. It’s not something you have to like, it is just something you have to do. The enemy is personified, we see CNN stories of how they live and love. we need to depersonify them to kill them without remorse, like squashing a bug. We need to be mechanical and methodical and the war would have been over in a year. Instead we get second guessed by the press, the liberals, and the politically correct. We worry more about pretty uniforms, if we can have gay service members or not, and how the choices made may affect an election. People who plays a video game of war think they know about torture, intelligence, or tactics. Politicians worry about their squeamish constituents rather than the future of this country. War is simply the method to the solution. Don’t like it? Choose another solution. Or don’t watch it being done. People die. Sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. If you can’t compartmentalize it, you need to go raise puppies or something. The death of the enemy is a good thing to a warrior. In WWII they were hung from lamp posts. We no longer have the desire to break their will to fight, which is what is needed to win. we have no more Generals Patton or Eisenhower, no FDR or Truman. The true warriors in the ranks are held back, told to refrain from shooting, be PC, and lots of other BS. I have 30 years in the US Army, I know what I am talking about. Why no one else states the obvious is because they worry about what others may think. I worry about where this country is going, and at this rate what you think won’t matter very soon.

SSRI’s (anti-depressants) cause suicidal and homicidal mania.

Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

[...] soldier suicides, nearly equal to a quarter of all soldier deaths in Iraq, let alone the ones who outnumbered the troops killed in the [...]

Our service has a lot of 18 year olds who joined out of patriotism and love for country.  I am sure they would have no problem defending their country.  The problem comes when they are sent to fight a war that has not been declared by Congress, and ordered to fight in a war that only benefits a few.
The person you describe as needed to fight the war is one sick
mercenary.   

The citizen and taxpayer is responsible for the well being of our soldiers.  We should have all the right because in the end we the citizen need to take responsibility for what our government does.  

Who are you trying to convince.

You sound like a decent patriot who served his country with honor and dignity.  Your country now needs you because your are the type of person who can lead our country and inspire others to lead our country in the right direction.  I thank you for your service to our country.  

I think OathKpr was making a point.   And I think he did a beautiful job.

You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

Good arguments, but the fact of the matter is we no longer live in a time where war is good against evil and the lines have become blurred. ‘Why we fight’ was clear in World War II but now in modern times it is necessary to think more about whether or not you should pull the trigger. Robert may not like that soldiers are told to refrain from shooting but we’re not fighting for the freedom of the world anymore and the act of killing someone needs more thought than it did in the past. 462 US soldiers may have died in combat but over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war has begun, and your worrying about the warriors being held back? Times have changed Robert

you’re*

OK first of all, why is it that the drinking age in both Canada (19) and the U.S (21) which are both over 18 and yet the legal age to join the armed forces for both is 18. How is it that we think 18 year old’s are not mature enough to drink a beer yet they are old enough to risk their lives, and mature enough to hold a gun in their hand. seriously? why are we allowing  our youth to be sent over their or any people, why don’t we send the old white fascist asshole up in Parliament over there to accomplish their own mission, Which is basically to rape the middle east of their resources and gain more wealth and power. and to any one who says that these soldiers are heroes risking their lives for their countries, well they are not. A hero does not blatantly do what ever they are told because the orders came from some old white (or black, now) man, . Killing and murdering innocent women, men and children does not make you a hero, and most of the casualties are civilians.  

also i would just like to take a minute to point out that Obama is worse even than Bush (and no that doesn’t make me a racist)- during bushes presidency he was issuing 4 drone attack a month, Obama is issuing 40 a month, do the math that’s 10 x as many attacks on innocents  which = Obama is a liar (said he was going to pull your troupes out, instead sent more) and a war criminal and must be brought to justice. Now!

but hey what do i know i’m only 17  

TROLL, get a life.

It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

[...] 1. More US Soldiers Committed Suicide Than Died in Combat (For full story, click here) [...]

[...] What did the war in Iraq actually accomplish? Most theories include getting rid of terrorists and evil dictators (foreign ones anyway), securing oil for western markets, and so on. But the price? War has never been easy for anyone but it is much easier to find out what it must be like on the battlefields today. Thanks to Wikileaks and others we are able too see exactly what those missions involve, what the average soldier on the ground can expect to experience. One thing that they didn’t see in the recruitment brochures was soldier suicide rates.http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-more-us-soldiers-committed-suicide-than-died-i…. [...]

The basic reason because soldiers kill them self is the Unconscious Death Urge. War it self is U.D.U. All people and, specially the soldiers, have to heal their own U.D,U in order ot avoid to kill them self in someway. All deaths are a suicide. Thinking about!

Support our troops, bring them home. Ron Paul 2012

Obama has reduced the total number of sortees flown during his tenure. Raising ‘s portion from 4 to 40 only means that some commanding officer does not have to write about his pilot’s death.

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Im sorry to say this sir, but i am a young thirteen year old boy who can clearly see that what youve just said is a load of bs. As others have already pointed out- WWII is a lot different than our modern day world and making the comparison makes you sound plain stupid. In world war two, soldiers knew that all of their efforts were for the best reasons possible- survival and freedom. On the other hand, soldiers nowadays dont even know what theyre fighting for and are fighting purely for patrioism. Doing things so courageous and brave is no easy thing in the first place, but having to do it when youre not sure if youre right or wrong is extremely stressful. Mix that in with the trauma of warfare and watching your loved ones die is unbearable. The fact that you say that people who cant forget about killing someone should go raise puppies is quite disturbing and shameful for you. If you truly have spent 30 years in the army(im not convinced) than i assure you that you have not forgotten the men youve had to kill and the friends youve had to watch die ( if you have than i believe it is fair to say that you are a pyscho)

In the end, instead of sounding like a respectable man from the military doing whats right for his country you sound more like a scared soldier trying to play the tough guy act 

To soldiers thinking about suicide
 From my perspective I believe that suicide is never ever the answer but rather perseverance through whatever your problem may be. Just think if you had a son and he had a problem, would you want him to kill himself? And just remember America supports you and knows the amazing things you have done we are eternally grateful

Kid, I respect you’re opinion but honestly, what the hell would you know about any of it? George Bush (and to a lesser extent Tony Blair) started this war under the guise of eliminating WMD’s and freeing the Iraqi people from an oppressive regime. They didn’t fight purely for the hell of it nor primarily out of patriotism. The men and women who went abroad saw a genuine threat to (relatively) peaceful western existence and sought to eliminate it and at the same time spread democracy and what not, which I’d say are pretty good reasons.

Secondly, right and wrong matters little when you’re in the thick of it. Out in the field it’s sometimes kill or be killed. Sometimes people have to do horrible things just to make it out alive. I’ve heard some real horror stories about WWII battles and the present is no different in that regard. War is bloody, and people who can’t handle all the death and carnage shouldn’t be in the army.

The way I see it, western society has been over-feminized the past few decades as a result of all the various rights groups over the years. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in equal rights for gays, blacks, women (etc.). People nowadays want everything to be nice and cushy, with all sorts of new regulations prohibiting this and that (new anti-bullying laws for example) and inevitably people get lulled into this false sense of safety and security and experience a culture shock when they’re forced into something as harsh and unforgiving and terrible as war. People  have changed, but war…

War never changes.

seriously? if our people in the white house gave a shit about helping “free” a people then they’d be helping africa.. are you lying on purpose or do you also lie to yourself? :(

oh dear, jason ellis i am sorry that you were put in harms way.. i realize you signed up for it but i do not feel that really counts, not when the recruiters are singing a song of travel and education as the prize.. or the lie that you are “helping” your country.

please, don’t hurt yourself – please do your best to overcome this awful situation..

bless bless <3

leaderadvocate, yes, there needs to be a draft! for women and men BOTH. why do you think there isn’t a draft at present? maybe because if there were then the people would be rising up against these unjust wars FINALLY??? think about it, won’t you?

that is not true i am a long time pot smoker and after a  long term domestic abusive relationship i developed ptsd fight or flight and i used pot always it made me depressed paranoid lost and kept me alone in my room.. bad advice and i still smoke pot because i dont want to bother quitting.. addiction does that. maybe it helped you  but its not something i would reccomend as a person who had strong ptds symptoms for 5 years. still healing pot has not helped. exercise healthy eating yoga deep breathing good suppport and soul searching is what has helped the healing process.. long hard road easier without pot. 

that is not true i am a long time pot smoker and after a  long term domestic abusive relationship i developed ptsd fight or flight and i used pot always it made me depressed paranoid lost and kept me alone in my room.. bad advice and i still smoke pot because i dont want to bother quitting.. addiction does that. maybe it helped you  but its not something i would reccomend as a person who had strong ptds symptoms for 5 years. still healing pot has not helped. exercise healthy eating yoga deep breathing good suppport and soul searching is what has helped the healing process.. long hard road easier without pot. 

Honestly, we sent them over there to fight. Whether they should have been sent, is for this point irrelevant. If you tell someone to do something, don’t be pissed off when its done. I could care less about the civilians that have been killed. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. When you cant tell the difference between a civilian and a suicide bomber, then you shoot the civilians. I have problems with people blaming the individual soldiers for the civilian casualties (I am aware you didn’t say anything about that.)  when it is literally life or death for them. You eliminate any and every possible threat. or at least you should.

What the people in the white house actually think was irrelevant to his point. The reasons given for going to war were freedom and destruction of WMD. And, as I recall anyway, there was pretty much no one who doubted it at the start of the war. 

The wars today are not really fought versus other armies, that’s the problem. We’re supposed to believe there are soldiers or militants armed to the teeth fighting on the other side. There are not. In other wars (many many years ago), there were. Soldiers fought soldiers. Today, even kids are trying to fight back against professionally trained soldiers… why? (And please don’t say they’re been manipulated and it’s not the soldiers fault, don’t insult your intelligence). Every time in human history, when an invading country tries to force its will on to another, people will resist, specially when the cultural differences are significant. So finally, soldiers commit suicide (mostly) because the come to terms with the fact that they’re fighting regular folks, not soldiers, defending what is theirs (land, government, culture, etc.). They do have a reason to fight, it’s a resistance; and there is no real reason to fight them, it’s more of a hunt.

my son was shot to death in 1991, there was no facebook then.

we should send you to washington

my son not only served for over six years, the military lied to us about his death. he was a good, honorable sailor but that didn’t matter in the end. just like a broken piece of equipment they tossed him away. unless you have buried  your 25 year old son don’t critize me. it’s been 20 years and i still hurt every day.i hope you NEVER have an esperience like this. i gave them my son, they at least owed me the truth. 

You have an incredible way with words. I admire your thoughts and thanks for sharing.

You have an incredible way with words. I admire your thoughts and thanks for sharing.

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Where is the humanity in this conversation? We aren’t talking about insurgents. We’re talking about human beings; men, women and children; fathers, daughters, mothers, wives, sons, uncles, grandfathers. 

We’re not talking about noble warriors, we’re talking about human beings with a conscience. We’re talking about people who don’t want to kill their brothers and sisters. It’s easy to sit at your computer and pontificate about how THEY should feel. But walk a mile in THEIR shoes. Maybe you’ve experienced warfare and it didn’t affect you but that’s you and they are them.

No need to call your fellow man out their name because they don’t react in a way that you feel they should.

Where’s the humanity in this conversation?

Twat. Brutes like you are the reason society is as stupid as it is.

First, it’s an all volunteer military. Second, check the statistics and notice that the relationship between suicides and combat related jobs are grossly mismatched. Finally, the vast majority of military suicides have to deal with personal, family, financial and other similar issues, not direct results of combat.

Instead of arguing back and forth, why don’t we try to find a way to end war!?!? Geez, people! Terrorism is the direct result of US interference in foreign governments. With over 900 military bases in over 150 countries, is it any surprise that some of these countries have a bone to pick with us? The notion that terrorists fights us because they hate that we are free (or so we believe) is delusional at best.

Marines help there own? Crock of shit. Soon as something happens they throw you out like trash without benefits and won’t allow you to get VA even after 6 years of serving or the make you get out. Yes I said make you. And after 6 years of serving and 3 tours they still don’t give a shit about you. That’s when veterans start committing suicide when everything they have ever known and a certain life style is taking away from them. The transition period means shit. It’s hard to adjust to civilan life after being through 3 tours and being in the marines for 6 years after being bombed over and over and watching friends die. And what recieveing 3 purple hearts at age 25 makes up? No yes it is a great honor but soon as you are no longer worth anything to them they throw you out without caring. It’s hard on the families as well. I just dealt with it even after 2 years of the Father of our 5 month old daughter and my bestfriend since we were 13 years old just committed suicide. The nightmares never go away and the things you see don’t either. The person next to you could see something total different then you and effects them a different way. Yes he was a very proud marine and he wanted that as his career but some of those marines also don’t give a shit about anyone else

Marines help there own? Crock of shit. Soon as something happens they throw you out like trash without benefits and won’t allow you to get VA even after 6 years of serving or the make you get out. Yes I said make you. And after 6 years of serving and 3 tours they still don’t give a shit about you. That’s when veterans start committing suicide when everything they have ever known and a certain life style is taking away from them. The transition period means shit. It’s hard to adjust to civilan life after being through 3 tours and being in the marines for 6 years after being bombed over and over and watching friends die. And what recieveing 3 purple hearts at age 25 makes up? No yes it is a great honor but soon as you are no longer worth anything to them they throw you out without caring. It’s hard on the families as well. I just dealt with it even after 2 years of the Father of our 5 month old daughter and my bestfriend since we were 13 years old just committed suicide. The nightmares never go away and the things you see don’t either. The person next to you could see something total different then you and effects them a different way. Yes he was a very proud marine and he wanted that as his career but some of those marines also don’t give a shit about anyone else

The things marines or anyone that served has seen or have done can effect them no one will ever truly understand what they have gone through or is going through not even the person who was right next to them. Like I said in my previous statement they could have seen something comPletely different and yes you have to take classes to help prevent and watch for suicidal signs but they are also trained not to let anyone show there weakness and to be mentally cold it’s hard to break habits after doing them for so long and sometimes you can’t everyone has demons but some are worse then anyone could imagin and they don’t talk about it or it’s to painfully real for them to or they just simply can’t.

Just so you do know.  We DO ave military in Africa helping out there.  Do your research.

You are not 13.

You are not 13.

What I don’t understand is why so many civilians say so many things about ‘bringing the troops home’ and shit. Yeah, the war may not be great, but it’s WAR. And honestly, I don’t believe many, if at all any, people enlist with the idea of the military being just like Call of Duty. Unless they have a severe disability, but then how would they pass the asvab anyways?
I enlisted back in october, and I am fully aware of the possibility to deploy. It didn’t sway my decision at all. I view deployment as a part of military lifestyle.
I agree completely with Robert McLaughlin. Times have changed and anyone is allowed to enlist now. The protocols have changed. Basic Training is no longer about stripping a person down to their core and rebuilding them as a cold killer. And if you say that is sick and I’m a bad person, wake up. This is how the world is. There is war, and there will probably always be war. So we need people to fight the battles, which means we need people who can kill.
Am I remorseful of those who have fought and have severe emotional and coping problems? Of course. I don’t want to see anyone who’s fought for our country, and other peoples freedom and well being to suffer. But they had to know what to expect. This is not an age of ignorance. With the tv media and the internet, people hear things. And people can look things up. So people need to stop bitching about how these soldiers were tricked, or had no idea, or have nothing to fight for. And if they don’t really know why they’re killing? They need to think of something to make it worth it.  

What I don’t understand is why so many civilians say so many things about ‘bringing the troops home’ and shit. Yeah, the war may not be great, but it’s WAR. And honestly, I don’t believe many, if at all any, people enlist with the idea of the military being just like Call of Duty. Unless they have a severe disability, but then how would they pass the asvab anyways?
I enlisted back in october, and I am fully aware of the possibility to deploy. It didn’t sway my decision at all. I view deployment as a part of military lifestyle.
I agree completely with Robert McLaughlin. Times have changed and anyone is allowed to enlist now. The protocols have changed. Basic Training is no longer about stripping a person down to their core and rebuilding them as a cold killer. And if you say that is sick and I’m a bad person, wake up. This is how the world is. There is war, and there will probably always be war. So we need people to fight the battles, which means we need people who can kill.
Am I remorseful of those who have fought and have severe emotional and coping problems? Of course. I don’t want to see anyone who’s fought for our country, and other peoples freedom and well being to suffer. But they had to know what to expect. This is not an age of ignorance. With the tv media and the internet, people hear things. And people can look things up. So people need to stop bitching about how these soldiers were tricked, or had no idea, or have nothing to fight for. And if they don’t really know why they’re killing? They need to think of something to make it worth it.  

Business as usual “The Only Good Soldier Is A Dead One” the motto of the military industrial complex.

it’s not just about watching people die but how people die. hospital personnel see a lot more people die but commonly have no ill effects like depression and ideations of suicide.

probably it’s warshock, the fear of dying itself. the thought of dying for the sake of what? why waste a life over some political idea? it’s the thought of dying brutally and forgotten while half the globe over people are drinking wine to their heart’s content.

I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

In reply to Robert McLaughlin:

I am an NCO in the WTU (hurt in Afghanistan) and I call BULLSHIT! I have met people who spout off like you do in the army and they tend to be the long termers who have never been deployed. Talk tough but never faced the lies of war. 
We are not at war.  The government is simply shuffling money around while we, the service members, get shot at and blown up.  See anything and try to report it–expect to be busted down or sent on dangerous road duties without adequate back up.  Money going missing-shut up.  Criminal actions- watch your back.  Oh, your hurt–you’re a sham dirt-bag (this does not only go for deployments but ANYTIME in the military) if you are emotionally upset about anything–grow some balls or shoot yourself. 
Why is there so much suicide in the army? because it is encouraged–not by policy but by the culture.

Your arrogance blinds your thoughts man Suicide may be the awnser to some, those whi cant escape the ravishing downfall of murder. This “war on Iraq ” is nothing but a scheme or ploy by the government to gain. Ljfes meaning is miney nd for the men who shoot to kill,speak to educate, and listen to
understand. Thise are the warriors, not a guy who joins the army or other armed services to fight forwhat, freedom? What freedom. I see lies and xicer ups. Thats why these men kill themselves and its for that that i will never again salute the flag, sing the national anthem, or believe in government. There is no such thing as freedom, only blurred control.

A lot of people really can’t handle much pressure and stress. I graduated Naval boot camp in August, and there were so many wimpy people in my division who graduated with me. Also, a lot of people only joined for reasons such as $$ or misdirection in life. After joining, they realize their mistake in signing a contract for x years of their life away to a government that is so incredibly corrupt and misguided by pure evil and selfishness. This causes them to feel trapped, because a dishonorable discharge pretty much ends your chances of getting a job, since its hard enough to get a good job with a bachelor’s degree and a clean record. All military deaths are blown out of proportion. Just more worthless media attention to distract us from serious domestic matters.

Nice

You can get up geared to kill the enemy. Problem is that you probably killed a lot of non combatants and civilians.

If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.

If you think this is OK, then you validate terrorist activity which may kill a US soldier but also kills 30 – 40 US civilians as well. What’s good for the goose. . .

If you think it is ok to go to their country to kill them, then you validate them coming to your country to kill you. (The correct answer is that both are wrong)

Or are you a hypocrite?

Think it through.

Assad’s own gunmen murdered three entire families in Homs which included children. 

The families were shot dead in their homes by members of a pro-regime militia,known as the Shabiha, which has been blamed for numerous atrocities since the conflict began 11 months ago.

The Shabiha are an irregular militia recruited largely from the minority Alawite sect of Mr Assad. They display picture of the president on their vehicles and have been used to terrorise the regime’s opponents. 

If you think this is OK, then you are no more than a terrorist.
Or are you a hypocrite?

Think it through.Do some basic research. Find out the truth.

Spoken like a real dirtbag who has yet to deploy. You haven’t been in for more than a few months!!! I’m a Soldier who has been in for over 4 years and i’ve deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Stand down seaman!!!

Killing other people is a pretty tough thing to handle…especially since those who do a lot of it will almost certainly kill an innocent or multiple innocents in their service. Those are the worst to overcome…the ones who didn’t deserve to die. It’s tough dealing with that kind of guilt. I know a lot of guys who abuse alcohol and drugs and also who are in deep depression and have anxiety issues. It’s part of the service that most don’t know about.

Until you deploy, shut your trap.

Petty Officer* This “war” should have been over years ago. Either move quickly and efficiently, or don’t move at all. This war is intentionally being dragged on. I’m not trying to belittle your war efforts, I’m saying that the administration that gives  the orders, could have easily ended this years ago.

Eating about 3 brownies a day could help prevent suicide. The victims of war  would be greatly benefited by MMJ.

Please. The bravest people in a war zone are the women and kids trying to survive as both sides, full of ego and delusions, fling explosives right where the families have to go for water.

I have read through some of these post and for one I am appalled by the lack of information that is received by the American people and the ignorance and indifference that some hold of others.

A quick synopsis on Iraq, Look into Code Name: CurveBall. He is an Iraqi source who was handed over to the U.S. Government by the Germans. The Germans could not at all verify his information and felt it ridiculous, once the Americans got him they had their reasons to go to war in Iraq; in search of those weapons of mass destruction. 
It is not because of Saddam’s inhumanities on his own people. That means nothing considering the hundreds of millions of lives lost all over the world outside of these two conflict zones since the war began.

Oh CAVEAT! Don’t believe fine, don’t take it from the guy who was Military Intelligence in the US Army with deployments to these combat zones. You’re probably right I am not a credible source of information on this.
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With that said I think I can move along now and talk about suicide rates in the military.

For one, to insinuate that these American’s are weak or anything less of the soldiers who fault in conventional battlefields is completely idiotic. 

These wars are decades apart and have much more history when you look into the intelligence history behind the involved nations not just in Iraq but in Afghanistan as well. 

This isn’t a war where you can be completely committed to basic animalistic instincts. I’ll explain. In a conventional war you know who your enemy is. Sure they hide through the use of cover and concealment but not through the ploy of hiding amongst innocent civilians. What this does to the psyche is completely different in both situations. So Comparing the soldiers (tools) needed to fight this war in comparison to the past are needed to be completely different!

Additionally I’d like to address one big problem with this war. Can you see the young 5 year old kid you spoke to yesterday who was happy with the Americans who is now strung up on a stake burnt to ashes? Probably not. What about the young 13 year old kids whose brains and head are mushroomed out? No probably not. Oh how about the young 6 year old who can not be identified because all that is left is the burnt aches and amber of flames burning under the skin to a completely hollowed life and blackened visage. Yes that was cause by IED set by insurgents.  
Where am I going with this? The fact that on average most Americans come to see this happen to children, Which can in comparison give you chills if it was your own son and you knew of the guise for this war.

If you have any questions feel free I will be happy to provide sources to these issues.

These men and women carry up to 4 times as much weight as those in previous wars and volunteered not drafted for this.
To address them as cowardice and non-soldier like is a complete insult on them their families, this country, and all it stands for.

You should be ashamed of yourself for such comments especially if you, yourself at one point swore to defend the constitution of the United States.

Except the Germans.
The Irony of a full circle comparison from the WW’s to these conflicts.

Well played sir. Well played indeed.

What about that PMS? Amirite?

I feel ya man

What fuels their cars?

Well let’s hope so.

78% of statistics are made up on the spot, sir.

I know right! That’s a low price!

Or a woman, amirite?

Star Trek was terrible. Star Wars.

While elegant, the elves have a hard time playing the harp. The primary reason being that they’re stoned.

James Bond did pretty well.

Transformers. That is all.

[...] Keep in mind that soldiers are committing suicide in higher numbers than ever before, and therefore we should pay attention to what this guilt is telling us. This mindset of denial echoed by the Pentagon official, integral to waging war, is rooted in a belief about ourselves as separate from one another — in other words, that we should be able to kill one another without remorse, which is the supreme superstition of a violent system.  [...]

Suicide is a tragic but predictable human reaction to being asked to kill —

well that explains all the suicides in high schools, murder suicides of hubands / wives and vice versa, bully victims,….  oh wait – no it doesn’t!  that was the stupidiest thing I read on the internet in the past 35 seconds….

when will blogs be congressionally controlled.

 Thank you for a perspective I have always suspected was true.   We have certain assumptions about enlisted men and women and those are just  that: assumptions.

We know elections are bought.   (aka – Representative government is an illusion at best, more likely, illegitimate and fraudulent)

We know laws are bought. (aka – US “justice” is all but meaningless – fraud)

Because the US has become a blatantly fraudulent and closed society…  can we honestly consider, our military, to be honorable or heroic,  in any way,  by serving under these conditions? 

I have no problem with military following good leadership. (aka – WWII, for example) 

Military that willfully choses to follow bad leadership, is bad military. 

Suicide is one result of this reality.
It is the responsibility of every soldier to NOT follow usurped powers.

In this environment,  heros will step down from assignments administered by those who have usurped their power. 

In this environment, citizens must help prevent our good sons and daughters from being recruited by such evil powers.

JP you are a seriously sick person to degrade and insult enlisted men that risk their lives for you. The only reason you say things like this is to make yourself feel better about letting men die while they fight for one main purpose, the United States of America and its inhabitants. Go USA!

Well, just keep in mind that 51% of the Nation’s taxes go towards war whereas less than 3% goes towards maintaining peace. Now why is that? American leaders know that they can achieve peace on this Earth however the problem is that they are too greedy. They want all the World resources for themselves and that is why war continues. Just search to see where wars have been happening and see if there is anything that might keep America there-such as oil, water, or other natural resources. Also, look at where all of the American bases are set up around the world. I dont think youll see any in Africa. Do the research and accept the facts. You will not benefit from lying to yourself, rather you will only see yourself losing your rights as a citizen. That is because Americans that work behind the senes want to continue to do what they are doing, and in order to do so, they must strip the rights of their citizens. Recently, US Congress has passed a bill for internet censorship, restrictions on the right to vote, and for the first time ever, they have made it permissable for the US government to imprision someone without trial. What is their excuse for these actions? “For the protection of the American citizens”. And people fall for it. Dont be one of them! 

Well, just keep in mind that 51% of the Nation’s taxes go towards war whereas less than 3% goes towards maintaining peace. Now why is that? American leaders know that they can achieve peace on this Earth however the problem is that they are too greedy. They want all the World resources for themselves and that is why war continues. Just search to see where wars have been happening and see if there is anything that might keep America there-such as oil, water, or other natural resources. Also, look at where all of the American bases are set up around the world. I dont think youll see any in Africa. Do the research and accept the facts. You will not benefit from lying to yourself, rather you will only see yourself losing your rights as a citizen. That is because Americans that work behind the senes want to continue to do what they are doing, and in order to do so, they must strip the rights of their citizens. Recently, US Congress has passed a bill for internet censorship, restrictions on the right to vote, and for the first time ever, they have made it permissable for the US government to imprision someone without trial. What is their excuse for these actions? “For the protection of the American citizens”. And people fall for it. Dont be one of them! 

“I served.  I am not crazy. I am happy”

You can only be two of the above.

“I served.  I am not crazy. I am happy”

You can only be two of the above.

Many doubted it, it’s just that as the USA is such a military (though no longer economic) powerhouse, many western nations were too scared not to join their allies.

me too!! absolutely right feeling, isn’t it?

As a former police officer having taken these type of calls,
and as a military dependent of a retired military nco, my heart goes out to
servicemen and their family facing this issue. If you are contemplating this final act ~ please dismiss those thoughts. The ripple it leaves on those you leave behind that love you ~ is catastrophic.   And your demise cannot be reversed.  It’s ok to seek help.  Talk to someone.  No one will judge you.  I beg you to hang in there.  I thank you for your service to our nation.

Kind of shocking, I had no idea that moral was this bad.  They say they don’t know why, but perhaps there was a common theme among the suicide notes?

 Strawman arguement crisco.
The Saud’s are murdering THEIR own people.

Let’s hear you talk about that.

 does the truth hurt?

 anyone who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution was obligated (literally you are not allowed to follow and illegal or immoral order) to refuse to deploying in either of these manufactured, illegal, and immoral wars. See Ehren Watada for what a proper soldier should be.

You’re reasoning is the clueless result of years of brainwashing and indoctrination. Study a little history. For example, that Congress gave the North Vietnamese billions in US taxpayer ‘reconstruction aid money with in weeks of that war’s ‘end.’ And you might wonder, ‘duhh’why would they do that???
They just killed almost 60k of our soldiers (invading and bombing their lands) and are still holding countless more. We killed apprx 2-3mn Vietnamese in the same period.

It was was never about fighting communism or the idiotic ‘domino theory’ It was about military expenditures. AKA enriching the rich who’s kids got deferments.

Now we have moved a much more extreme position with the 9-11 and wmd’s in Iraq BS,state sanctioned torture and renditions, drones,,, and the dramatic change of our liberates at home. You can be sure some worse is coming down the pike someday as the real power brokers continually rape the treasury (just look at the value of the dollar since the inception of the fed) and enslave the workers of the planet. Obama has already surpassed Bush in raising the national debt -or so I read. best. -you’ll need it

if you have questions about 9-11 this is a good starting point
ajl.smugmug . com/911

As a 25 year old COMBAT veteran, I have seen my friends and enemies die, yes I suffer from PTSD, and yes I do have problems but all of those who say its not a big deal, or that I need to ‘compartmentalize’ the traumas, you can kiss my ass. It’s not that easy, believe me, I know, so Mr Robert McLaughlin, as an Active army member, have you ever seen even the sand of a foreign country? Or seen friends, guys you would call family, die? I assume not based on your ignorance on the subject matter. I have contemplated suicide, but there are programs that a lot of young vets don’t know about. And as far as depersonifying the enemy, its not that easy when you see the people and interact with them(spent 2 years in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan) I think that people who think like Robert, and believe the same things need to go let the enemy shoot at them and blow them up, see how much you like it… These guys need our support not our criticism, so please, if you sound like Robert please just go kill yourself and save a troop!!!

LOL! Be too tired to commit suicide.

 Relax dude. We don’t talk truth until we’re civvies… then we can take up ridiculous conspiracy theories, and talk tough bs about conflicts we’ve neither properly researched nor ever experienced first-hand. Maybe spout some misguided political theories, you know, really fight fear with more fear.  The real non-sense generality bs. The war hawks are after the oil!  The poor want wealth distribution! Kids of my era were tougher! Nineteen people shot Kennedy, and then blew up the world trade center. Personally, I plan to go to a VFW with Vietnam Vets so we can drink beers, eat brats, and call each other pusses for hours on end. Maybe they’ll make brownies. Then we can talk truth, and you’re already quite aware of what that is…

[...] Those who volunteer to be paid to wage illegal and immoral war are those who commit the atrocities I mentioned above [...]

Conscience.

The man asked a question! And no one here has provided an answer! Conscience! You know the thing that apparently 99% of humanity lacks anymore! 

To answer the general — TBI’s percipitive — subtle anosognosia the diagnosis — miss treatment and diagnosis the precipitave.

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 Orthodox Jews are a drain on society in Israel. They don’t work, have tons of children and are kept by the state. Soldiers, on the other hand serve and are to be caste aside like so much dirt when they are traumatized?

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if you’re 13, there IS hope, because my generation is too stupid to realize everything you just said is so true.  Keep learning, the world is going to need you. Read Chomsky.

 I think you might be a possible threat to society. :P Hmmmm… Perhaps we should eliminate all possible threats to everything.