Did they happen to die during invasion of other countries for their Zionist masters?

15,000? If the casualty reports won’t confirm this, where did this number come from?

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As a therapist, I can tell the general what’s causing all of these suicides. A full 50% of all of our active duty service men & women are suffering from PTSD, a condition that nearly always comes with a secondary diagnosis of depression. What this article doesn’t make clear is how many of those suicides occur AFTER the person has come back to the US. They are hanging on by their fingernails till they can get to the VA for help. Then they find out the waiting list for treatment is 10-11 months. That’s when many suicides take place. For normal human beings, having killed is a heavy burden. Having witnessed death is a trauma in itself. Many military women are being raped and refused any medical treatment. The general need only take an honest look at the system to know what’s wrong.

tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

tell me more about pot-headed elfs playing harps…

the rate of suicide in the military is actually less than in the general population

that wouldnt be bad that would be like yay we get to rid the world of idiots like you.

You are an idiot sir. Your whole paragraph with all of the……and the DoD is not ex War it is still the war department. Do you really think they got rid of a department that conceptualizes war? Leaving us with nothing? and if you for once think that fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq is not a real war, then you have not been. So do us all a favor and kill yourself so we do not have you running around spreading your idiocy throughout our beloved country.
 

nice and mature

My 2 cents… while I was deployed I saw a lot of whiny brats who flashed gang signs and live for facebook. Drill sergeants today have a rough road molly coddling the kids who complain about stress or being yelled at. 90% of those in the military should not have passed muster. Gone are the true warriors with iron constitutions, who can create a mental box for war and keep it apart from the rest of their lives. It’s not something you have to like, it is just something you have to do. The enemy is personified, we see CNN stories of how they live and love. we need to depersonify them to kill them without remorse, like squashing a bug. We need to be mechanical and methodical and the war would have been over in a year. Instead we get second guessed by the press, the liberals, and the politically correct. We worry more about pretty uniforms, if we can have gay service members or not, and how the choices made may affect an election. People who plays a video game of war think they know about torture, intelligence, or tactics. Politicians worry about their squeamish constituents rather than the future of this country. War is simply the method to the solution. Don’t like it? Choose another solution. Or don’t watch it being done. People die. Sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. If you can’t compartmentalize it, you need to go raise puppies or something. The death of the enemy is a good thing to a warrior. In WWII they were hung from lamp posts. We no longer have the desire to break their will to fight, which is what is needed to win. we have no more Generals Patton or Eisenhower, no FDR or Truman. The true warriors in the ranks are held back, told to refrain from shooting, be PC, and lots of other BS. I have 30 years in the US Army, I know what I am talking about. Why no one else states the obvious is because they worry about what others may think. I worry about where this country is going, and at this rate what you think won’t matter very soon.

Robert makes an interesting point, and I respect it. As a solution to the matter of war, it should be methodical and executed with precision. No prejudice or passion. Just win.  The problem, at least in my opinion, are the reasons we are thrusted into war. As far as the Iraq war, the facts remain that the American people were duped. We were told that WMDs were there and we need to attack. Sadly, no WMDs were found. Whatever or whoever Saddam Hussein was, there are 20 more just like him, if not worse in high political places all over the world. This wasn’t a war for justice or freedom. Any moron with half a brain would know that.

As far as killing other people, humans inherently know in their soul that killing is wrong! No matter how big of an A-hole the other guy is. You cannot expect someone being thrown into combat come out of it unscathed. As a matter of fact. PTSD, depression and suicide is a natural reaction to traumatic experiences. Being shot at and watching your friends being blown up is a traumatic experience.

Most conservative Republicans put themselves on a pedestal as they tell their constituents that their shit don’t stinks and they are the second coming of Jesus and how we need to fight this war to ward off evil and protect our freedoms. The fact is the US invaded another under false pretenses. period. And you can sell it any way you want but it still wasn’t cool.

Our service has a lot of 18 year olds who joined out of patriotism and love for country.  I am sure they would have no problem defending their country.  The problem comes when they are sent to fight a war that has not been declared by Congress, and ordered to fight in a war that only benefits a few.
The person you describe as needed to fight the war is one sick
mercenary.   

Who are you trying to convince.

I think OathKpr was making a point.   And I think he did a beautiful job.

You need to get your facts straight as it appears you know nothing about the area.   Afagnistan is important because of its location and the oil rich but land locked countries on one side and
India with its large population on the other in need of oil and gas.  From what I have read on the internet we went to war with Afagnistan after negotiations with the Taliban to build a pipelene accross their country brokle down.  So it is aboult oil.  It is about oil and pipelines and who controls them.

Good arguments, but the fact of the matter is we no longer live in a time where war is good against evil and the lines have become blurred. ‘Why we fight’ was clear in World War II but now in modern times it is necessary to think more about whether or not you should pull the trigger. Robert may not like that soldiers are told to refrain from shooting but we’re not fighting for the freedom of the world anymore and the act of killing someone needs more thought than it did in the past. 462 US soldiers may have died in combat but over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war has begun, and your worrying about the warriors being held back? Times have changed Robert

OK first of all, why is it that the drinking age in both Canada (19) and the U.S (21) which are both over 18 and yet the legal age to join the armed forces for both is 18. How is it that we think 18 year old’s are not mature enough to drink a beer yet they are old enough to risk their lives, and mature enough to hold a gun in their hand. seriously? why are we allowing  our youth to be sent over their or any people, why don’t we send the old white fascist asshole up in Parliament over there to accomplish their own mission, Which is basically to rape the middle east of their resources and gain more wealth and power. and to any one who says that these soldiers are heroes risking their lives for their countries, well they are not. A hero does not blatantly do what ever they are told because the orders came from some old white (or black, now) man, . Killing and murdering innocent women, men and children does not make you a hero, and most of the casualties are civilians.  

also i would just like to take a minute to point out that Obama is worse even than Bush (and no that doesn’t make me a racist)- during bushes presidency he was issuing 4 drone attack a month, Obama is issuing 40 a month, do the math that’s 10 x as many attacks on innocents  which = Obama is a liar (said he was going to pull your troupes out, instead sent more) and a war criminal and must be brought to justice. Now!

but hey what do i know i’m only 17  

It is sometimes about what we do in a war as well as what we witness that can bring on PTSD. Sometimes the drugs you are place on for months isn’t enough.The therapy and the speaking out to a group can help.Asking God’s forgiveness can be comforting knowing he will. PTSD can take years to manifest itself.

The basic reason because soldiers kill them self is the Unconscious Death Urge. War it self is U.D.U. All people and, specially the soldiers, have to heal their own U.D,U in order ot avoid to kill them self in someway. All deaths are a suicide. Thinking about!

Obama has reduced the total number of sortees flown during his tenure. Raising ‘s portion from 4 to 40 only means that some commanding officer does not have to write about his pilot’s death.

Kid, I respect you’re opinion but honestly, what the hell would you know about any of it? George Bush (and to a lesser extent Tony Blair) started this war under the guise of eliminating WMD’s and freeing the Iraqi people from an oppressive regime. They didn’t fight purely for the hell of it nor primarily out of patriotism. The men and women who went abroad saw a genuine threat to (relatively) peaceful western existence and sought to eliminate it and at the same time spread democracy and what not, which I’d say are pretty good reasons.

Secondly, right and wrong matters little when you’re in the thick of it. Out in the field it’s sometimes kill or be killed. Sometimes people have to do horrible things just to make it out alive. I’ve heard some real horror stories about WWII battles and the present is no different in that regard. War is bloody, and people who can’t handle all the death and carnage shouldn’t be in the army.

The way I see it, western society has been over-feminized the past few decades as a result of all the various rights groups over the years. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in equal rights for gays, blacks, women (etc.). People nowadays want everything to be nice and cushy, with all sorts of new regulations prohibiting this and that (new anti-bullying laws for example) and inevitably people get lulled into this false sense of safety and security and experience a culture shock when they’re forced into something as harsh and unforgiving and terrible as war. People  have changed, but war…

War never changes.