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Authors Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot join Mickey for a discussion of the now-popular phrase “deep state,” and its many implications. They discuss the history and applications of the term and also share their thoughts on the best way forward for the left in the Trump era. Peter Dale Scott is a retired diplomat, professor, and a prolific author on politics and history; among his books are “Deep Politics and the Death of JFK,” “Drugs, Oil and War,” and “The American Deep State.” David Talbot is the founder of Salon.com, and now a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle; his most recent book is “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government.”