This week, Eleanor Goldfield looks at COP, climate, and change with the Minister of State for Environment, Climate Change and Technology of the Republic of Maldives, Khadeeja Naseem. They discuss the dire situation her home is in, a home that has been the vanguard not only of climate chaos but of the movement to push wealthy nations to pay for loss and damages – a hot button topic at this year’s COP27 meeting. Naseem highlights the fight to bridge this inequality gap, the need for financial systems to shift in response to climate change, and what’s at stake beyond just the loss of place – the loss of entire cultures. Eleanor then speaks with professor and activist Rory Varrato about the false solutions and shallow promises of COP meetings, and the need for revolutionary language, and actions. They also dig deeper into transformation of consciousness – the philosophy of change, from within to global systems.